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  • Yelxiad
    Original poster 4 posts

    The Division Games need offline already. The Division 1 is so dead anymore that unless you either find players in The Underground hub or wait Eons in matchmaking a team is near impossible to form. The player base doesn't even exist in 2021. The Division 2 is on the decline because of failed promises for new content. Thier a dead and dieing game ex-franchise. They can still have online qualities but need to be redone like Ghost Recon: Breakpoint with AI companions. Ubisoft can't even say it would be a lot of work because all they would need to do is use the same code for the AI just with minor tweaks. Keeping these games Online only is like beating a dead horse and showing just how out of touch Ubisoft is with the gameing community. Most of us don't even play online all the time and actually enjoy being able to play our games in peace without a 6 year old kid or some 20 year old tweaker trying to tell us how to play our game even if they never played before. (Going off topic here in 3...2...1...) Also Ubisoft, stop trying to be SJW you completely ruined your E3 segment and were literally the laughing stock worst than anyone else (watch 90% of your reviews on your E3 on youtube) you bombed out guys....horribly (and no that's not a good thing). Can we please get back the old Ubisoft back before you decided Uplay and online only was actually a good idea when in reality it was just an all around bad idea and before you thought you had to be politically correct in your game creation. (Back on topic) The Division has no place being online only anymore not when the community died a long time ago but for those players that are still faithful to it that doesn't mean shutdown the servers because then you will get one grand prize of gamers backlashing, just give it an offline mode and stop acting like you had a great idea with that online only BS because.....just no....it wasn't it was a....💩 idea.

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  • KraziAgent
    17 posts

    yes or how about a Customizable server where we can make a custom server (offline server would be awesome too...) cuz id rather play the game in my way rather than be limited by the games "RESTRICTIONS"

  • Yelxiad
    Original poster 4 posts
    yes or how about a Customizable server where we can make a custom server (offline server would be awesome too...) cuz id rather play the game in my way rather than be limited by the games "RESTRICTIONS"


    See the problem being Ubisoft has this what they think is this great idea with Uplay. Now problem being they make you pay for the game, you pay for Expansions, you pay for other in-game content by purchasing in game currency. Now when they shutdown servers, say you poored 200+ dollars into a game, when a server shutsdown your out that 200+ dollars with nothing to show for it but a game that is now useless and can no longer access. Its not like these are MMO games no they are single player WITH SOME multiplayer experiences. Your basically being conned and told to enjoy it or [censored] off. This is how Ubisoft works now a days. If they don't fix themselves gone are the days of them being a great gaming company, now they are just a bunch of con artists milking you for everything your worth.

  • Yelxiad
    Original poster 4 posts
    yes or how about a Customizable server where we can make a custom server (offline server would be awesome too...) cuz id rather play the game in my way rather than be limited by the games "RESTRICTIONS"


    See the problem being Ubisoft has this what they think is this great idea with Uplay. Now problem being they make you pay for the game, you pay for Expansions, you pay for other in-game content by purchasing in game currency. Now when they shutdown servers, say you poored 200+ dollars into a game, when a server shutsdown your out that 200+ dollars with nothing to show for it but a game that is now useless and can no longer access. Its not like these are MMO games no they are single player WITH SOME multiplayer experiences. Your basically being conned and told to enjoy it or [censored] off. This is how Ubisoft works now a days. If they don't fix themselves gone are the days of them being a great gaming company, now they are just a bunch of con artists milking you for everything your worth.

    The people that defend Uplay and online only are either working for Ubisoft or clearly have no commom sense. 😂

  • XMdead
    89 posts

    @yelxiad

    I have to agree. Multiplayer is not very active in Div 1 nor Div 2.

    But the worst part is that Ubisoft can't keep up with servers. Playing solo and getting disconnect after disconnect after disconnect - when you have excellent internet that works perfectly with any other online game - is just plain annoying. Add to that the long startup process and it becomes game breaking. This seems to be particularly bad at certain times of day when you just can't even play due to the constant crashes.

    I understand Ubisoft wanting to implement security, anti-hacking and anti-stealing-the-game through online, but for solo play that could easily be implemented at startup and occasional attempts to save on the servers but not make it game-crashing events.

    It would also help if they fixed their "Report to server" functionality of D1... or at least turn off the stupid prompts if they have no intent of fixing it.

  • dagrommit
    645 posts

    Not possible:



    TL;DR - a lot of the processing (e.g. loot generation and AI) is done on the server as previous-gen consoles can't handle it.

  • Adrian-11
    687 posts

    @dagrommit

    I'm okay with this online arrangement, it was known from the beginning, people knew what they were getting into.
    I would be very upset though if the servers would be shutdown anywhere between now and the next several years, because that would make the game unplayable.
    There is hope they won't do that, as they still sell the game... but it happened before.
    Fingers crossed.

  • XMdead
    89 posts
    Not possible:


    TL;DR - a lot of the processing (e.g. loot generation and AI) is done on the server as previous-gen consoles can't handle it.

    Good comment. It explains the reason for a lot of the weird design choices. It might not be very applicable for PC, but I'm sure they only keep one codebase making PC players suffer for what is needed by consoles.

  • davidhines1
    17 posts

    @yelxiad game devs should plan for end of life of the games they make when the servers are to be switched off. they then have the choice of whether to push that 'offline loot miniserver' patch to players in a final update or just kill the servers and watch the game die.

    div 1 could still be fun offline, if they had offline loot tables on the pc of the player. consoles which push hardware by sharing it for both ram and vram etc of course would just get their games killed, but the pc community can choose whether to add a gb to their installation size so they can play div 1 offline.

    if i had been designing the game, i would always have 'end of life patch day' in mind. and my read as div 1 reaches that time would be 'players still prefer it to division 2, not all, but some, and so its worth pushing the offline only update for darkzone and underground dlc.'

    and that final patch would make it so dark zone is still available offline due to no need to matchmake with other players. i can live without rogues and if they really want occasional rogue attacks, they can make AI rogues - they have the hunter AI from underground for a start, and there are rogue agents in the DZ and in campaign and they can use that AI too.
    underground would become the same as DZ - offline playable.

    loot tables would need to be shifted from server side to player side installation. i have no idea how but it only needs to serve one game, and so maybe a gb of space needed just for that? it would likely be a server simulation mode, it hooks into codes and replaces the online look for the server hooks with a code pointer to the simulated server. it might mean low end pcs once div 1 is officially ended, cant play it even with the patch. but this patch in total might mean they can continue to sell the game, discounted, forever.

    i would prefer they went further than that even, and the final patch as compensation for online mp loss would add a new game + mode where you can just take your agent, at world tier 5 or whatever, and replay the whole campaign from the start, including brooklyn. naturally that will become a speed run paradise. i dont know if they can alter the enemy table there to allow higher level enemies, but if they do the offline patch, then loot and npc spawn tables could be adapted to allow for high level players replaying brooklyn. its easily possible technically.

    but they dont plan for these things. i think all devs should plan this, and where possible like with division 1 (which is an mp online hybrid - the campaign is only coop if you make a group) there should be an end of life patch but there wotn be in this case. they clearly dont think of these things at this time. mainly they dont because they dont know how big a game might be on release. and if it is big success on release day, they worry because... it might be division 2 sold well because div 1 was such a good game. so thats a second reason not to spend valuable time (money) planning for end of life patches to keep games playable once the servers die. other than crude hacks that just remove the online code and may leave games unplayable even offline.

    i hope for a final patch because i love exploring the DZ in div 1 and extracting (except when rogues try to make me pvp which i dont bother even trying and i tell them i wont play). i love div1 in a way i can never find for division 2 with all the changes they made and the bad setting. but i expect they will just kill it because reason 3: if ppl are playing old games and with money issues now due to pandemic and supply shortages for food, who will buy new game division (add number/heartland) if they can just play div 1 offline?

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