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  • Adrian-11
    Original poster 717 posts

    @txdieselkid

    3 blue cores on that beaut?

  • Virtual-Chris
    669 posts
    Several times you mentioned System Corruption, stop, that gear set is out dated and under powered compared to Hunters Furry and other HE/PvP builds. I LOVE the concept of SC, and I wish they would buff it accordingly, but it's SEVERALLY lacking these days.


    This guy makes a good case for SC in a fairly recent video... (Build breakdown at about 5:50)



    ps. His movement is enough to make me nauseous - but I'm sure that's an advantage in PvP

  • Virtual-Chris
    669 posts

    @txdieselkid Thanks... will check out that build.

  • TxDieselKid
    162 posts

    @adrian-11 yes, 3 blues, sometimes only 2, but 90% of the time 3. 2 works well when grouped up in the DZ on a man hunt with a healing team and you're running DPS.

  • TxDieselKid
    162 posts

    @virtual-chris P Daddy (Patrick Wolf) also has to pump out content daily/weekly. Some builds will not be as strong as others, and in my opinion, this is not one of the strongest ones. I love the Memento, but I personally would not use it for PvP even though you get the advantage of having one of each core. It's awesome if people find it works for them, but with the heal button on controller being on the dpad, that means that usually you have to take your thumb off the stick that controls your movement, in order to stand still to hit that heal button. Another weakness of the SC set on console.

    I use to run SC a LOT a year ago, but not so much now. I probably have more pieces of that gear set than I do anything else in all my inventories in hopes that they give it the rightful buff it needs one day.

  • Adrian-11
    Original poster 717 posts

    @virtual-chris

    LOL! Tried this exact build, but with an MPX... and a few other variations. No chance solo.
    Perhaps my aim and my movement in PVP are 5hit, dunno. That chicken dance is not for me.. I guess I will stick with jumping from DZ to DZ when it's getting too busy and hot.

    PS. I will give it one last go with a full red sniper, maybe I can get them from behind the turrets at the entry points 🤡

  • tcarlisle2012
    124 posts

    It is my understanding that this game handles client side speed mismatches in a way that basically punishes the one with the faster connection.

    That might explain it when people experience a very lop-sided PVP battle and examination of the builds shows they should be a lot closer to equal.

  • Robert-of-Hague
    3 posts

    I’m convinced that the DZ is full of cheaters lately.
    Not so long ago there weren’t many rouge players. And if you met a rouge you sometimes won and sometimes lost. It was a equal playing field.
    But the last few weeks the DZ is swarmed with rogues and most of them are bulletproof, they know always where you are without pinging and can kill you with one shot, sometimes through walls.
     
    What has been changed in this game that this is made possible (and makes the DZ an area not to visit)?

  • Sock_Monkey
    302 posts

    @robert-of-hague I have seen (and experienced) too much to respond any way other than complete agreement with you.

    Having said that, there's nothing you or I can do about it, and Ubi is clearly disinterested in doing anything either, so as soon as it's clear I am dealing with another cheater I simply fast travel to the other side of the DZ, or to another DZ entirely.

    Yesterday I had a player that I can't necessarily say he was cheating, but he was doing the BS where he camps right outside the checkpoint and guns you down before your character even finished the walking-out-of-the-door animation, so it was impossible to defend as I didn't even have control yet. These guys don't care about sportsmanship, they just want to run up their manhunt status for the big rewards, so rather than give it to them I FT elsewhere and let them linger. I think he and I were about the only ones in the DZ, so he kept taunting me to get me to come back, but I ignored him and moved on, which clearly ticked him off.

    Don't get frustrated. Don't get angry. Just deny them the easy kills they desperately need to boost their ego and you'll probably do more harm than beating them would.

  • Virtual-Chris
    669 posts

    @robert-of-hague

    I’m not even into PvP and videos have popped up on my YouTube feed showing exploits to turn yourself invisible. If I’m getting this stuff and not even looking for it, imagine what’s out there for someone willing to invest a bit of time looking into it.

  • Sock_Monkey
    302 posts

    I just enjoyed the funniest (I don't think it was intentionally-funny though) response yet from a DZ rogue that was using all kind of cheats, shooting in the back, etc.

    He simply stated "Don't blame me, blame the devs. They allow this cheese, don't patch the cheats, etc."

    Can't beat the complete deflection and lack of personal responsibility in that mindset!

  • Adrian-11
    Original poster 717 posts

    So, my observation is that it takes around 30 minutes in the Invaded DZ, and about 50 minutes in the normal DZ to get in any real trouble.
    And by real trouble I mean cheaters and/or gankers.
    This weekend I had more time to play as the weather was very 5hity where I am, more time in DZ and I did experience the whole range of shenanigans, from being one-shot from the other side, to grouped campers outside the entry point in the invaded DZ, taking you down in the door.
    For a few minutes got quite annoyed with the gankers, so I waited until they lost the rogue status, went in and turned rogue taking down two of them before being killed and moving on. It was probably a total surprise me turning rogue, but it shows the backstabbing works both ways.
    Can't deny tho that even with this crap, DZ is still interesting.
    When with normal players, all good, even with some PVP to spice up things.

    As I played more than my usual, I saw more and more bugs, from NPCs stuck behind walls or doors, spawned in crates or vehicles, not triggering, and things going "invisible" or just disappearing. Ran the Hornet mission with two friends, and man, what a frustrating experience that was. Had to restart two times because of stuck NPCs in the same spot, and the third time we still had to escort an invisible robodog, the only visual being a moving orange marker...
    For a game that is being rejuvenated (per that analyst call from 7 months ago), surely looks like is abandoned. We have bugs repeatedly reported for years, more frequent random ones, PVP cheating and exploits utterly unchecked, unaddressed graphic bugs on the video cards that are prevalent... and the list goes on. NOTHING has been done for almost a year.
    I'm afraid we getting drunk on tap water here when we dream of new content, like real content, not just another season, when there isn't even some so needed real maintenance.

  • TxDieselKid
    162 posts
    @Adrian-11 Can't deny tho that even with this crap, DZ is still interesting. When with normal players, all good, even with some PVP to spice up things.


    Yeah, it is a SUPER fun game mode and some great areas to explore despite the pain in the booty rogues to have to deal with. Honestly, the terrain is some of the most interesting in the game when you look at DZ West and South. I wish there were some more buildings to explore and some elevation elements added in.

    Just curious, did you end up trying the build I suggested? What did you think of it? I have a different farming build I use to farm landmarks I would have suggested if I had known you were just trying to do that.

  • Adrian-11
    Original poster 717 posts

    @txdieselkid

    Yes, I did try it. Thanks for that.
    Pieces wise, is not far from what I ran since the GE started (the same but with Gunner and MPX), I just had to switch to Firewall and put LD in the mix. Quite powerful under normal circumstances, just a bit annoyed at the smaller magazine.
    But... it doesn't really make a difference when you get one-shot from three or more blocks away, or 1 vs 4, the one being down before the door animation ends. 😁

    For farming, I have no issue at all. If anything I find it much easier than Heroic overall, and much MUCH easier than any CP on Heroic or even Challenging. And I fly through Heroic, unless bored and start making crazy moves or try silly builds.
    Honestly, it doesn't matter that much what build I used for Landmark, I'm still good (unless you have something super speedy?)


  • TxDieselKid
    162 posts
    Honestly, it doesn't matter that much what build I used for Landmark, I'm still good (unless you have something super speedy?)


    Sounds like you're good then. Glad you liked it. It's not a "far out there" type build so it makes sense that it's similar to other builds used in PvE.

    I will say, for DZ landmarks which to my mind are the best for Opti Station materials, 4pc Hunters with 2-3 Blues, Memento (not part of the 2-3 blues mentioned), and a vest with intimidate is the best farming build I have found for DZ/Opti resources. Armor on Kill from HF and Memento trophy's helps keep you topped off, and an m870 with Pummel is the fastest way to clear landmarks, as you pretty much 1 tap 90% of the NPCs, and 2 tap bosses. You can run the Mop also for more AOK and 1-2 less blues. You can spawn kill them literally before they come out of the door. I also have used a Regulas for this, and that's just fun. Rarely do I have as big a smile on my face as when I'm using that pistol in the DZ and killing before they come out of the door. That might be the best gun in the game for that reason. lol

  • Robert-of-Hague
    3 posts

    @virtual-chris
    I watched this video from Kool Keith and niticed that his CMMG Banshee SMG has a total damage of 113K
    Mine has a total damage of 58.7K

    What do I do wrong?

  • Virtual-Chris
    669 posts

    @robert-of-hague ... I'm afraid I have no idea.

  • LateNiteDelight
    513 posts

    Damage numbers are shown in accordance to your build.

    A Banshee has a base weapon damage of 50,244 - if it shows anything more, it's due to your build.

  • Sock_Monkey
    302 posts

    So I had a very interesting experience today that backs up my earlier conclusions regarding this thread.

    I was in the DZ farming, and while there were plenty of rogues to go around, it wasn't the assemblage of the usual 10-15 names. I didn't recognize any of them, but scoped their builds and they weren't exactly "noobs." All had SHD levels and hours of experience comparable to mine.

    As usual I didn't look for trouble, but one shot me in the back and I immediately respawned and went after him. Another tried to hijack my extraction. At any rate, these confrontations were eactly like I would have expected given our comparable builds and experience. No one dominated. We moved cover to cover. We healed. Eventually of the five encounters I had I won in four.

    Compare this to the ones that we were discussing earlier in the thread where they guys melt you literally in 1/2 second. I have a pretty decent build (1.5 M armor and crazy-high damage up-close), so did the guys I played today. But the matches seemed level and regardless of who won it came out close.

    Conclusion: you can hide behind the "git gud" excuse all you want, but the insta-melt guys are running cheats. Probably lots of them. And no, you don't suck.

  • Adrian-11
    Original poster 717 posts

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