ubisoft discussions

Quick Suggestions

  • onkey89
    Original poster 1 posts

    My group is planning to try the raids this week finally. (We're late to the game). Will we have a chance with just 4-5 people? We have multiplle high DPS builds (scorpio, true patriot, etc).
    Thanks!

  • Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, looked up one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur, from a Lorem Ipsum passage, and going through the cites of the word in classical literature, discovered the undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32.

    Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, looked up one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur, from a Lorem Ipsum passage, and going through the cites of the word in classical literature, discovered the undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32.

    Contrary to popular belief, Lorem Ipsum is not simply random text. It has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC, making it over 2000 years old. Richard McClintock, a Latin professor at Hampden-Sydney College in Virginia, looked up one of the more obscure Latin words, consectetur, from a Lorem Ipsum passage, and going through the cites of the word in classical literature, discovered the undoubtable source. Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32.

  • WrecK3rr
    379 posts
  • N3mB0t
    1138 posts

    @wreck3rr

    i think Iron Horse would be a stretch but Dark Hours should be doable , of course it would have to be 5 guys that need no guidance , but i reckon its doable , it isnt a straight no.

  • WrecK3rr
    379 posts

    @n3mb0t

    Thing is If it was someone who would be capable of doing it with five, would not have asked this question in the first place.
    If you know what I mean. And yes, those 5 would need to be absolute gods with their builds and raid experience.
    Just saying this with experience. I have run raids with people who eat raid bosses for breakfast. 😁 yet still we didn't do 5.

  • N3mB0t
    1138 posts

    @wreck3rr

    we gotta try it one day 😁 👊


    there are videos of people finishing raids with 4 only on YT.

  • WrecK3rr
    379 posts

    @n3mb0t For sure. I'm up for it. No kidding, I'm literally waiting for the group to come back when new content drops.

    And yes, that was Widdz. But It was only possible because it was done pre gear 2.0
    Remember the attribute "Damage To Elites"? That is what made it possible. Gear Score 500 raids.

  • N3mB0t
    1138 posts

    @wreck3rr

    i mean... i can get past boomer alone 😊 , never tryed the next part solo as an extra hand is needed on each side of the plane to progress , we gotta try duo the raid!!😁

  • WrecK3rr
    379 posts

    Haha! We might do it but probably looking at atleast 10hrs for completion. 😁

  • V4MPiR1
    308 posts

    @onkey89 Five novices? Not a chance in hell... in either raid.

    Read this:
    https://discussions.ubisoft.com/topic/144441/iron-horse-raid/2

    @fleptora I advise using the D2 Discord Server: https://discord.gg/thedivisiongame: (https://discord.gg/thedivisiongame)

    These forums are a poor substitute for real-time LFGing.

    If you and your three buddies have never raided before, I also advise getting all-red builds with AR primaries and no Scorpios, and splitting up into at least two-by-two (two separate raid groups) to disperse the inexperience. Raids are heavily scripted, and four script novices are likely to get the entire raid team killed, unnecessarily, for hours without completion.


    Also this:
    https://discussions.ubisoft.com/topic/126502/beginner-raid-build-for-more-thinking-and-less-fast-reaction-player/5

    @xmdead
    Yeah, nix the Sniper Rifle and the SMG, as well as the Demento and Scorpio. Use either a [secondary] BR or LMG, with greater weight on the former. A Sniper Rifle is a highly specialized tool in a raid, and until you're fully familiar with raid scripts and other mechanics, will only result in teammate casualties. The same can be said of the Scorpio. In the right hands, a Scorpio has a specific purpose in specific phases to expedite completing an objective. 99% of players, however, use it because they lack the wherewithal not to.

    Blue and Frizz both gave good advice. I always recommend Negotiator's Dilemma, and still use it myself, depending on my tasking:
    https://discussions.ubisoft.com/post/646226?lang=en-US
    The most versatile build in D2, comparable to D1's Striker, is the Negotiator's Dilemma (Gunner Spec: 4-pc ND, Coyote Mask, Fenris Obliterate Vest, 59-60% CHC, remainder in CHD, Crusader Shield, Healer Drone, AR, BR, pistol).
    As Blue mentioned, both raids are completed over a number of phases, and may require you swapping out skills, weapons, gear, and potentially even entire builds and/or specializations. Have one of the aforementioned RED builds above, and the Raid Commander will advise you further as required WRT recommended skills and your assigned responsibilities. Always choose appropriate weapons (esp. WRT effective range) and be prepared to cover the responsibilities of downed teammates -- in addition to your own -- and/or communicate them to the team.

    Also, "skill build", technically refers to any of the three types; Damage, CC (Status Effects), or Medic (Repair Skills). Practically, however, it's cursive for Skill Damage; the others being "CC" and "Medic", respectively. This infers an all-in approach for effectiveness. Hence, Damage means six-tier-six-max-damage. This will become evident if you're ever tasked as the Circle Jammer on Razorback in Dark Hours; surviving drones will hopefully only result in some finger-pointing. 😀

    Get that RED build together, first, though, ASAP. Then just follow commands until you're experienced enough to branch out into one of the more specialized roles.

    The Division 2 Discord is great for PUG raids; you can always tell a good group by how coordinated they are. Any group that operates on a "let's just wing it" approach with no planning or assigned positions post-insertion has no idea what they're doing and you're wasting your time with. Have fun! 👍


    Unlike missions, raids require exponentially more coordination between players, aka teamwork. This means having both an awareness of the various specialists and effectively supporting their strengths, and especially their weaknesses.

    When running a coop Heroic mission, for example, and you hear the Scorpioic cacophony of, "PAK! PAK! PAK!", you know you're with noncooperative individuals whose brains are on auto-pilot. Whether this is consequent to noviceness, poor game balancing (armor and damage differentials, relative 'ease' of Heroic difficulty, etc.), poor loot-dropped weapons and gear, 'casual' play, etc., it does not negate that fact.

    Similarly, there is reason behind the emphasis on novices using ALL-red builds, beyond the fact that non-'DPS' roles require script familiarity to successfully execute raid mechanics, and 'DPS' roles simply require instruction on what targets to engage and when. Here's a practical example. There are two DPS battle buddies, "Alpha", and "Bravo". Alpha is all-red, while Bravo is nearly-all-red, having invested in 'some' armor regen, ceteris paribus. This scenario will result in Alpha having a higher damage output per unit of time (DPS), which will trigger the NPC threat assessment algorithm, increasing target prioritization on Alpha. Therefore, Bravo is indirectly increasing risk to Alpha because while Alpha is focused on killing, Bravo is focused on surviving. This risk is then transposed to and compounded on Bravo in the event that Alpha is incapacitated. This example applies directly to the Scorpio as well. The Scorpio is not a damage shotgun. It is a status shotgun that applies lesser damage to targets temporarily incapacitated by its respective first, third, and sixth stacks' statuses. Speed (inc. TTK) is a critical factor in raids. Raid commanders are expected to be veterans and will make recommendations to novices prior to an engagement. Generally, if a given phase has a medic(s), they'll also be veterans, allowing novices to focus on their tasks.

    TL;DR - Most players do raids for the entertainment derived from successful completion. Having extensive experience in both raids with players covering the entire range of capability, I can tell you that your group's intentions, as you've described them, are setting you up for another type of entertainment; a Shakespearean tragedy. 😉

  • III_Hammer_III
    150 posts

    Some time ago my son and I tried to 2-man the first raid. We got to the 1st boss and IIRC there was a stage that we could not get past just the 2 of us. We tried a couple of times then we got bored. But with 5 people? Should be possible, I think.

  • V4MPiR1
    308 posts

    @n3mb0t

    i mean... i can get past boomer alone 😊 , never tryed the next part solo as an extra hand is needed on each side of the plane to progress , we gotta try duo the raid!!😁

    @wreck3rr

    Haha! We might do it but probably looking at atleast 10hrs for completion. 😁

    You two had better start stretching so you can each cover two Razorback generators at once... or make a technological advancement on the decoy. 😁

  • V4MPiR1
    308 posts

    @wreck3rr

    Thing is If it was someone who would be capable of doing it with five, would not have asked this question in the first place.
    If you know what I mean. And yes, those 5 would need to be absolute gods with their builds and raid experience.
    Just saying this with experience. I have run raids with people who eat raid bosses for breakfast. 😁 yet still we didn't do 5.

    Same. I've done multiple DH Sixes, and we're working on a Five, but like you, we have some absences. I think even a Four is conceivable under the current TU, but as your were alluding to in the duo joke, there would definitely be a time compromise, and it would be relegated to an exercise in capability rather than one of prudence. I can also corroborate the fact that the numbers we're discussing are predicated on the team members being veterans with full comprehension of the mechanics.

  • SuspiciousPixel
    547 posts

    @onkey89 No but if you are experienced (know mechanics and have builds for each encounter) then it can be done. People mostly do it with one shot boss mechanics and cheeses which if you're new to the raids you won't be able to do.

  • TxDieselKid
    406 posts

    What platform?

    Just curious....

Suggested Topics