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  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    Seeing a lot of HEAT about the early access to streamers and youtubers. I get the point everyone is making on both sides of the fences. But, I think one side is being too blinded and its the very reason why things will never change.

    I pre-ordered this game, DAY 1, ultimate edition. I have about roughly 10-12 other friends who I know have also pre-ordered the game. Why can't we play early like the streamers do? Or better yet, why do we have to pay to play on day 1, when streamers get paid via ad revenue to play in early access, a game that essentially they didn't even pay for. Assassin's Creed IS NOT a new title, if you going to buy it, you decided that already, whether you have pre-ordered it or not, you have already made the decision to buy it. I hopped on 2 twitch streams and 1 sentence plagues my mind vividly, I have never played through an entire Assassin's Creed but I got early access to stream so here it is.....So these aren't even real fans of the franchise. These are market streamers, they play whats popular for a few weeks then move on to another game. Watching some of them play this is almost cringeworthy at best.

    In my opinion, and its just that, my opinion, I would NOT purchase a game a streamer plays just cause they said it was good. I know how marketing works, for all we know they can be bored senseless but are under obligation via $$$ to look like they enjoying a game. I will believe my friend who bought it and recommended it. So why not let the gamers play early access as well? I guarentee you, we will reach more audience than a few twitch streamers who barely get over 1k views per stream or barely get 50-70k views on a YT video. I'm pretty sure there is over 70k pre-orders across the world, if everyone got early access and told a friend how good it was, was that not more effective (and cheaper since we ACTUALLY PAID for the game)

    Several other companies and game developers will do early access to streamers BUT they also give early access to those who pre-ordered as well. Keeping it a level playing field for all

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  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    Perfect example. At this very moment, there is 100 people on twitch streaming Assassins Creed Valhalla.

    OUT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE, ONLY 12 PEOPLE, are reaching more than 1k views (not counting those sneaky bot streamers) while there is about 45 at this moment streaming to 10 or fewer players.............HOW did they get early access.

  • TheHoboKilla
    11 posts

    @sacrede5150

    I agree with you whole heartedly about early access. I wrote my opinion on releasing digital versions early in another thread. The days of digital being a small market are over. If the game is ready and can be pre installed AND given to streamers, then put the damn games out to the players too. If people choose physical, which is their right, then I understand waiting till a certain date to make sure all the stores get their copies.

  • Karahus
    14 posts

    I agree with you whole heartedly about early access, now many people are deeply outraged that the company did this to them. After all, they must understand that they do not depend on streamers, but on us ordinary consumers, and very few people will want a pre-order next time.

  • Kormac67
    517 posts

    Streaming pre launch (or at launch) is the dumbest thing imaginable.
    People interested in the game will stay away pre launch and play themselves after launch.
    People not interested won't watch anyway.
    So what's the point?

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    @kormac67 THIS!!!! THIS RIGHT HERE!!!! Exactly my point, anyone interested in buying has bought or is waiting for a few patches to buy (certain titles I refuse to play within first few weeks due to glitches/bugs, LOOKING AT YOU BETHESDA)

  • MLR_SPARCO
    6 posts

    Clearly you don't know how marketing works or you would know that while we may not fall for it plenty viewers will,doesn't matter if you have 100 viewers or 1,000 if they feel that you can hold a number of viewers consistently there's a probability of people buying the game. We see it all the time with people like Shroud or Ninja,they pick up a game,stream it and in a couple of hours there's a spike in sales for the game,its just on a smaller viewer scale.

    Way more people will buy a game because of a streamer or youtuber than your friend.

  • Deathsnap198
    18 posts

    @mlr_sparco maybe you dont understand that is being said. Basically we all understand why streamers and youtubes get early access and such but they should not be ruining the game for the normal people. The full game should not be online until the release date. Also theres lots of people that have received the game and are playing already and they are not streamers or youtubers.

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    @mlr_sparco Clearly the topic at hand with this post went very far above your head. I am the Lead Marketing agent for a security firm, I know how sales and marketing works. I will, however, NEVER release products to 1 group earlier than another. That's how you overall tank sales actually.
    And try to read next time before leaving a thoughtless reply, there are (as of this very second) 57 streamers on youtube/twitch with 5 or less viewers TOTAL during stream (you can check that kind of info if you didn't know). Please explain to me who those people are influencing?

    And you ACTUALLY said Ninja or Shroud pushed sales of products due to their streams? You do realize the only game Ninja impacted was Fortnite (Free) and if you watching Shroud or Ninja ANYWAY you are already a vivid player of FPS games and more than likely own them already. As a matter of fact, some devs haven't even went on record stating Streamers more often than not NEGATIVELY impact sales.

    Take CoD for example. The sales are pretty damn good for a game that is cookie cutting the same [censored] across generations lol. But watching streamers REVEAL such actually impacts sales negatively as those who are the fence for that type of market are on the fence in wait to see if anything new or innovative was added this time around.

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    Apparently numerous NON early access people have access to the game as well. A buddy I play WoW with (he's in EU) says Amazon delivered the game and he's waiting for a seller to bring him a 3080 before he plays. I'm trying to figure out how many people got this and why hasn't Ubisoft just embraced the early release and gave it to everyone at this point.

  • longjohn119
    428 posts

    @sacrede5150 RadBrad on YouTube has 790k views for his first episode already .... Lots of people watch his channel so they can see whether a game is worth buying or not ....

    It's hard to argue with 790k views as advertising for your game and it's hard to argue that Brad didn't earn this when he has over 12 million subscribers ......

    Stop with the Entitlement nonsense ...... If you want early access to Ubisoft games get off your butt and EARN IT

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    @longjohn119 Let this sink in, 12M subs, 790k views......

    Don't just go around slinging numbers if you don't actually know how any of them are represented. He has COLLECTED 12M subs, yes, this part is true. But of all those subs, less than 500k people every watch his videos. You clearly DO NOT understand how YouTube works. You never got curious why people (RadBrad for example) post a Part 1 (his Part 1 for Valhalla if you look actually has 2M views) but the part 2 is never anywhere remotely in that area? You're honestly part of the problem as you're the % of people that make up the easiest herdable sheep EVER. YouTube has algorithms that direct you to videos.

    If you watched 1 RadBrad video for more than 50% of its length he is no part of your autoplay library. Meaning at any given time, one of his videos can be next in que if you have auto play on. Imagine, our of all the BILLIONS of people who watch YouTube, how easy it is to generate massive views. Go YouTube it yourself. Many MASSIVE tubers explain how they get big numbers on videos without nearly 50% of their subs even watching. Truly, the ignorance you're displaying at the moment is the very thing UbiSoft grasps ahold of to keep doing stuff like this.

    RadBrad aside, they (UbiSoft) seems quite comfy with the fact that many people who ordered the game via Amazon, Best Buy, etc... has already received the game and is currently playing it. Or have you not looked in the bug section? I don't see any posts from RadBrad there LOL

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    @longjohn119 Also, to touch on your last part, I work for a living. I am quite happy with my salary. When I go make a purchase of any kind, whether its car parts for my evo, video games, or new parts for my drones or firearms, I EARNED THAT [censored] cause its paid for from my pocket LOL. Therefore, if I paid for Ubisoft to deliver me a game, I expect it delivered fairly and equally like everyone else does.

    Lets take streamers out of the occasion since everyone is so butthurt and fanboyish over the topic, Australia and UK has estimated over 250 (and counting) players have access to the game due to delivery mishaps. Odd that the same time "early access" keys were sent out to "Streamers/People who EARNED IT" it was also accidentally delivered to HUNDREDS of others.......

    Anyone else smell the sheeps wool burning?

  • Karahus
    14 posts

    @longjohn119

    It's a shame that you don't understand that Ubisoft could have warned the audience that early access is only for streamers and youtubers, and for ordinary people it will not. For example, I am very offended that I bought a large package, but access is like everyone else's.

  • larrykop1967
    65 posts

    I've watched a few streams, Rad Brad and Hollow's, now it doesn't bother me personally and just makes me want to play the game more, but i get why some people don't like spoilers etc, but i did have to click play to watch it, i could of easily ignored it and not seen them and it doesn't bother me that youtubers and streamers got to play early, it is free advertising and potential customers got to see what the game plays and looks like, which is good in my opinion from what i saw of the xbox x version.

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    @larrykop1967 And how is this any different than their dev streams of the game? You can just as easily see that as well. And that stream alone, has garnered over 17.2 Million views since being uploaded. Was that not sufficient enough? You think Marketing works that way? I can guarentee my clients would MUCH rather watch me showcase a product we designed than some other guy showing it off haha.

    But again, YT/Twitch streamers aside, where is the outpure and outrage from UbiSoft on all the others who has early access to the game? The ones ubisoft didn't invite.

  • MLR_SPARCO
    6 posts

    @sacrede5150 You do realize Ninja doesn’t just play Fortnite right? Sea of Thieves sky rocketed in popularity because of him and other big streamers like him,Microsoft also paid him millions to stream exclusively on their platform (Mixer) now why do you think that is? Because they certainly wouldn't be giving him money if he didn't produce results and the devs wouldn't be giving him and others early access to games for no reason either so streamers clearly serve a purpose whether its for sales or exposure.

    If you think people aren't buying this and other games simply because their favorite content creator is playing it you're crazy.

  • larrykop1967
    65 posts

    @sacrede5150

    They are playing the whole full release version of the game for a start and they are fans/consumers not dev's who will be biased showing off earlier builds of just little clips etc. i'm not seeing your point here and yes, youtube marketing does work that way, and 17 million views is good for the game isnt it!, people kept watching and might buy it.

  • sacrede5150
    Original poster 12 posts

    You guys could literally just do your own research and realize how ridiculous you are sounding at the moment.

    There are Tubers/Streamers with LESS THAN 1000 subs (I hate to see anyone misinformed due to not looking up info that is CLEARLY present, so the total number is 47 and out of those 47 only 2 managed 1k-3k views on 2 day old videos) with the game as a early access key.

  • Netspook
    261 posts

    @sacrede5150
    Being a lead marketing agent for a security firm, makes you an expert in marketing games?

    Lol...

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