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  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @eskimosound just thought I'd leave an update. The issue with being referred to by the wrong pronouns has now 100% been confirmed as a bug and is now under investigation by the Dev team to fix the issue.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @eskimosound Odyssey pulled this off far better. Although kassandra was the Canon option, gameplay or dialogue wasn't affected by this at all.
    In my first play through, I was Alexios and didn't bat an eye or even consider that he wasn't canon. I only knew after ubisoft released the book and then confirmed he wasn't canon.
    I think we all should be at the stage now with Assassin's creed being more of an RPG that players shouldn't care about the Canon ending. We should just play as we want to. Especially with Vahalla. There's only one event at the end of the game that you have any real control over and that's your relationship with Sigurd. Everything else doesn't really affect anything. Your gender choice doesn't affect the story, your romance options don't affect anything, your alliance options don't affect anything (you still always end up with one, one way or another). Even your gameplay choices don't matter. If you want to rush in, or sneak round it has no impact.

  • Fimbulthulur
    Original poster 64 posts

    @eskimosound
    Nah, this is my first AC game that I am playing properly

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @neovoltron The Syndicate approach was a nice touch: both Jacob and Evie had their own moments (missions), and in between you could choose to play as either of them (mostly Evie for me too). I'm not saying that every AC-game should be based on that template, but it worked very well for me.

    I had no reservations whatsoever to play Kassandra in Odyssey (I actually preferred her over Alexios) or female Eivor in Valhalla, but I agree that the pseudo-historical setting of AC-games complicates matters. Things are easier in a game like Far Cry 5, to name another Ubisoft-title. In the end, however, the frequent crashes and bugs (or bad storytelling, for that matter) do more to ruin the immersion for me than the question whether or not female Greek mercenaries or female Viking warriors actually existed. It is a game, after all.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @hroozenbeek you need the game to be immersive through a lot of mediums in a video game. They are always okay to use creative thinking and exaggeration forhany historical game, film, show whatever.
    Just for a video game that gives you choice, make it immersive

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @max18400 Absolutely. Immersion can be reached in different ways. Historically, Alexios obviously made a more appropriate Greek mercenary than Kassandra, but in some way, for me, the more lighthearted Kassandra felt more at home in Odyssey than stern Alexios did (and I completed the game with both of them). I did my first playthrough of Valhalla with female Eivor and I am looking forward to the next round with male Eivor, but I think I will wait until most of the bugs (including the pronoun stuff) have been dealt with.

  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    closer to the end i am being referred to more and more often to as a she while playing male eivor, this is so annoying

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @asgardian02 at least we know it is definitely a bug though. On my most recent playthough as a male I noticed a few times I was given the right pronouns (Jorvik for example). But it does still happen in places like Winchester

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @hroozenbeek that's why I played as Alexios for most of my runs of odyysey, because I know the history so well and how Greek society viewed women, but then kassandra in her tone etc. Fitted with the game's tone in exactly the way you said.
    Yeah I'd wait it out too

  • NeOVoltron
    96 posts

    @hroozenbeek Pronouns won't be "dealt with" because despite what Ubisoft said, male Eivor isn't canon. "Let the ANIMUS choose" option (which is also the "intended/canon" option) makes your character female Eivor the entire game except during the mythical arcs...

    spoiler

    Also, within the historical context of Assassin's Creed Valhalla's universe and lore, the male counterpart never canonically existed as "Eivor." As we are all already aware, even when you play as male Eivor you're stuck with female pronouns and your full name, regardless of your chosen gender, is Eivor Varinsdottir which means Eivor - Daughter of Varin. This is also the reason why Eivor is female in the comic book.

  • NeOVoltron
    96 posts

    Eivor is also a female name even though they could have chosen a gender-neutral name of which there are many, you can literally Google them.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @neovoltron Canon doesnt mean anything in gameplay terms.
    Whilst you are right about Eivor being female is Canonb; ubisoft have confirmed in various forum posts MULTIPLE times it is a bug and is under investigation.
    Not to mention several times in gameplay in different saves, I've seen dialogue pronouns change for the same pieces of dialogue when I consistently play as a man. It is a bug, and therefore will likely be fixed at some point.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @neovoltron they could have, but didn't. They could also have used gender neural pronouns throughout the game, but didn't.
    The issue is, they if they are to give players an option to choose a gender (Canon or not) they need to make sure each choice is immersive and respected in gameplay which they have tried to do, but due to the bug, have not done so.

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @neovoltron With all due respect, you're confusing Ubisoft's decision to make female Eivor the 'historical Eivor' in AC lore with the bug (as confirmed by Ubisoft, which has been stated earlier in this thread) that pronouns are frequently mixed up when you play as male Eivor (and sometimes also the other way around, as has been reported). I know perfectly well what 'Varinsdotter' means, but that reference could also be fixed. Canon notwithstanding, the game allows you to play as male Eivor, which means that Ubisoft should fix the pronoun bugs.

  • NeOVoltron
    96 posts
    @neovoltron they could have, but didn't. They could also have used gender neural pronouns throughout the game, but didn't.
    The issue is, they if they are to give players an option to choose a gender (Canon or not) they need to make sure each choice is immersive and respected in gameplay which they have tried to do, but due to the bug, have not done so.

    You're right. I was totally convinced that it was by design that the pronouns are wrong.

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    I think the developers chose 'Eivor Varinsdottir' as the name for both the male and the female version of the protagonist to make things easier for them (compared to maintaining references to Kassandra and Alexios in Odyssey) under the assumption that the majority of players would not realize that both parts of the name are gender-specific. As it turned out, that assumption was rather naive. Maybe they will learn from this and choose more carefully next time. (And yes, I realize that I may be naive in this myself. 😉 I'm an optimist.)

  • Fimbulthulur
    Original poster 64 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    There is definitely a big management issue in Ubi.

    Execs promising one thing, devs doing the other thing.

    Doesn't speak well about the company.

  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    i dont think much will be learned.

    Most reviews online are super positive and the game sold well, thats all that matters to the shareholders anyway.
    Its only after the good reviews were done that they introduced xp boost and other boosts to the game to be bought for money.

  • Outlander1982
    123 posts

    @neovoltron I really doubt that the pronoun are bugs when you are refereed as she/her,you never change Eivor gender so to speak,you change what the animus is simulating,Eivor and Odin are the same person thus the both gender are canon,they could not have explained this at the release of the game that would have been stupid,they did explain why they chose a female it was to give a player a choice.

    After all the backlash they got from Odyssey and now this game,they should stick with one gender protagonist or do like syndicate.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @outlander1982 you've got a good point. They do need to have one confirmed protagonist. But in this case it is a bug and has been confirmed by the developers on this forum and is under investigation.

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