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  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    I think the developers chose 'Eivor Varinsdottir' as the name for both the male and the female version of the protagonist to make things easier for them (compared to maintaining references to Kassandra and Alexios in Odyssey) under the assumption that the majority of players would not realize that both parts of the name are gender-specific. As it turned out, that assumption was rather naive. Maybe they will learn from this and choose more carefully next time. (And yes, I realize that I may be naive in this myself. 😉 I'm an optimist.)

  • Fimbulthulur
    Original poster 64 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    There is definitely a big management issue in Ubi.

    Execs promising one thing, devs doing the other thing.

    Doesn't speak well about the company.

  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    i dont think much will be learned.

    Most reviews online are super positive and the game sold well, thats all that matters to the shareholders anyway.
    Its only after the good reviews were done that they introduced xp boost and other boosts to the game to be bought for money.

  • Outlander1982
    123 posts

    @neovoltron I really doubt that the pronoun are bugs when you are refereed as she/her,you never change Eivor gender so to speak,you change what the animus is simulating,Eivor and Odin are the same person thus the both gender are canon,they could not have explained this at the release of the game that would have been stupid,they did explain why they chose a female it was to give a player a choice.

    After all the backlash they got from Odyssey and now this game,they should stick with one gender protagonist or do like syndicate.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @outlander1982 you've got a good point. They do need to have one confirmed protagonist. But in this case it is a bug and has been confirmed by the developers on this forum and is under investigation.

  • DuskDragon56496
    367 posts

    Not to change the subject or anything but in regards to an earlier comment in this post some people stated that Ubisoft doesn't bring politics into it's game, maybe you missed that moniker at the start of the game which states that the game was made up by people of different beliefs,gender identities and so forth.If that's not a political agenda Then I'm a leprechaun.How many other gaming companies start off by basically saying...we accept and love everyone, we're all the best of friends, why we love you too let's all hold hands and sing kumbiya, oh yeah and press start to play, and that's not a political statement....lol the only equivalent to that I can think of is a politician who goes around kissing babies for votes

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @duskdragon56496 maybe I'm an unpopular opinion here, but is that really a bad message to have? And if so why?
    I don't think any decision in the game is a political statement.
    I personally think Odyssey was far more political than Vahalla.
    I think Vahalla was rushed out and many aspects, both design and technical, were overlooked

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @duskdragon56496 A similar statement has been present in all AC games since the first. I have always liked that, because to me it states that the developers have no single political, religious or other agenda but respect all different views and creeds. Respecting other opinions than your own is, or should be in my view, a-political.

  • Kormac67
    579 posts

    @outlander1982 Why remove the player's choice? Some want to play male, some female. Remove choice, decrease sales.
    I actually wondered when I played Odyssey, Kassandra fired some arrows from hiding and got referenced as "she" - "now how do they know?".
    This whole "he" and "she" thing is completely overrated. They chose a neutral sounding name (to most at least) to simplify the audio after all.

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @fimbulthulur We don't disagree on this. If Eivor is canonically female (and I really don't mind either way),Ubisoft certainly went out of its way to suggest otherwise in their branding etc. Because all we see is a male Eivor.

  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @hroozenbeek

    thats funny, i always only saw a female eivor in trailers and such 😛

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @asgardian02 Did you really? 😉 The woman with the beard, isn't she?

  • Fed2007
    3 posts

    Can anyone explain me why all reborn ISU have the same gender and looks with expection of Odin?

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @fed2007 there's no explanation. That's just how ubisoft have decided to do it. There's nothing in mythology that suggests odin ever shape shifted into other genders.

  • Fed2007
    3 posts

    @max18400
    I guessed it. Then a female Eivor makes no sense and is in my opinion lorebreaking.
    Even the sages of Aita never changed the gender. Why should this happen with a real reborn.

  • Max18400
    400 posts

    @fed2007 no idea. Ubisoft can manipulate the lore or the game however they like

  • Fed2007
    3 posts

    @max18400
    I know. I know .But I think, that the best stories always have a consistent lore.
    That would have been easily avoidable. Why not playing as female Freya or her male Twinbrother Freyr. Problem solved, everyone is happy.

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @max18400 Precisely. I'm not aware of any formal explanation by Ubisoft, but this allowed them to have a canonical version where the player plays the historical part as female Eivor and the mythical part as male Eivor/Havi/Odin. Maybe that was what they were aiming for.

    @Fed2007 Maybe Eivor is just the first and we'll see more reborn Isu (sages) with a different gender in future AC titles. That's entirely up to Ubisoft.

  • DuskDragon56496
    367 posts

    Why say it to begin with hoozenbeek? I would assume any corporation would respect other peoples opinions,beliefs and sexual orientations without having to make it a point at the start of a game. If the tagline was"This game was made by people who love pizza adore vodka and enjoy an occasional skinny dip"wouldn't that be as irrelevant as telling people you believe they have a God given right to freedom,love and a pursuit of happiness without being labelled? I appreciate Ubisofts enthusiasm with their tagline But I doubt people need a confirmation from Ubisoft that they have a right to work!

  • hroozenbeek
    1024 posts

    @duskdragon56496 The first Assassin's Creed game concentrated on the Templar-Assassin controversy against the background of the Crusades, with Christians and Muslims fighting over the Holy Land. My guess is that Ubisoft thought it wise to state that in the development of this game, people with varying backgrounds had cooperated to make an entertaining game, without any political or religious agenda. This has been carried over to (and expanded in) later titles.

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