@tantalus_jb tbh no one is really sure how many shieldmaidens existed, or what portion of a viking army they'd made up. Some scholars argue that they never existed at all. In the written record, there are 2 (non mythical and that I can remember off the top of my head) that are mentioned by name, lagertha and Brynhilda. And out of those 2, only lagertha's achievements are actually described. Personally, I do think they existed, but just not in large numbers.
Personally, I have no issue with there being loads in the game and in media portrayals. I think it is awesome.
I take issue, when if you choose to be male Eivor, the game treats your decision as if its wrong, non Canon and just incorrect. It's a bit insulting when the game advertised that both gender options were Canon when they're clearly not and your in game experience is affected by your bearded vikingr being refered to as a beautiful daughter... That's the main issue that's being raised by this thread.
If the game advertised itself as Eivor being female only, it wouldn't be an issue
Do you personally believe that treating the male as female, as you mentioned is big issue, is intentional or just missed in QA or sloppy coding? I think it’s just oversight or missed and will be corrected eventually. This game, in addition to others like Cyberpunk, has several items to be made better/fixed so I don’t let that type of issue get to me, even if it is obvious or immersion breaking (which it isn’t to me as it’s very minor and short compared to all the correct times).
@detroitin2019 honestly? I don't know. Based on ubisoft's response official response, it's a bug that they said they'll try to address. Yet reading around the issue, it seems almost intentional. There seems to have been a huge rift in ubisoft's development team about whether to have a male or female character. As mentioned, there are several quest lines that make reference to Eivor being a female character, yet many aspects of the game are masculine features: the hair cuts for example. Most of them look (in my opinion anyway, feel free to disagree) look overtly masculine. Like I did try to change the gender of eivor on my play through briefly to see what the customisation options were, and they just look odd on female Eivor whereas on male eivor, they look like they fit.
It's anyone's guess about why it's present. I'd be equally as annoyed if it was the other way around. It just subtracts from the importance of player choice.
I completely agree on the hairstyles. I keep hoping I’ll unlock some better ones for her. Personally it’s her voice I can’t stand most. I alternate between both characters trying to find the one I am annoyed at least (male has some weird expressions/stances I don’t like). Maybe because I switch between the two the incorrect gender references don’t bother me since I can’t remain committed. I play a female %100 of the time in games when I can so disappointing this game has turned me from that.
@detroitin2019 it's kind of ironic they seemed to have burned both gender choices in a game where both are 'Canon'. With the male version being called female names, pronouns etc. And voice acting and aesthetic choices of the female version not being great.
I do hope it is a bug or glitch they'll fix. They have promised to fix/add a lot in the next patch.
Kormac67 497 posts
If you want to play male, just do it. Why chose "let the animus decide" and then be mad about the outcome?
For me it is no female, no deal. Origins is gathering dust at 10% because I just dislike that dude I have to run around with.
And riding a huge lava wolf is not immersion breaking, nor is suddenly being am Arab woman hopping on Tron-looking blue blocks - but a few sloppies in the texting are?
Don't hope for fixes there. They were probably not recorded in the first place (that's why both are called "Eivor" - to simplify texting), and they won't redo voice acting for little things like that.
@kormac67 I hate those aspects of the game... Personally, you wouldn't catch me dead wearing that awful looking armor set or riding on a wolf... But then again it's down to player choice. Those elements are optional.
I'm sticking to playing as a male, other then the odd 5 minutes I decided to see what the female avatar player like. And, I'd be making reporting the issue if it was the other way around.
If it is just a bug or error in coding, I do think they'll fix it. If it's an error in voice acting, who knows? Ubisoft have acknowledged it's an issue so chances are they will try to do something.
Sam_Boo26 136 posts
There were female vikings. It has been confirmed many times by History and I remember even recent discoveries about this that were saying that it was a more common thing than we thought.
Also, play as the male option if you don't want the female one. Both versions are canon for the animus; there's an in-game explanation for this.
As for the dialogues of male Eivor being called a female, it's surely a bug, and they will correct it. I'm playing as female Eivor and sometimes she's being adressed as an "he" in bandits camps for example, which is also a bug they will eventually correct.
Gooby1452 10 posts
This game is riddled with many bugs and technical errors that ruin the game for me. This is the last thing I thought anyone would have such a big problem with. Whenever the game mistakes my character as a female I laugh and brush it off as a small error. Pretty sure ubisoft didn't mean to upset you by accidentally calling you a girl sometimes.
MitchThundercok 27 posts
Ya calmed down yet? LMAO!
Its not about that.
The game mechanics force the female canon upon you.
1. Animus chooses for you the female version.
2. While playing a male Eivor, you are being called feminine pronouns.
3. Your name in Alfred's notes is always Eivor Varinsdottir. Which is Daughter of Varin.
4. There is an end-game cutscene where you are shown as female.
This is the problem.
Even though you choose, the game doesnt agree with you and forces you to a female Eivor.
As you can see, this is pretty much [censored].
Pronouns - can be bugs, but the rest is total bs.
Proven by History? The Tv channel?
Don't tell me Vikings TV series serve as a proof for this XD
I also believe there were shield maidens, this makes scandinavian history even more cool.
Yet if you ask a random person, about his/her first association when they hear the word "viking" - most say " tall, savage man, with blonde hair and blue eyes" or something close to that.
There are very few historical documents, which are Sagas btw, that describe shield maidens.
Unfortunately, Sagas tend to exaggerate, so Ragnar, for example, might not have existed at all.
But, its not about that.
The game forces the opinion of other people onto your gameplay, despite what was promised, whether you like it or not.
Quor321 222 posts
@fimbulthulur Well I haven't reached end game so thanks for that...... The game does start with an animus glitch, some sort of over lapping data, one male one female. Not surprised this comes up later in game. The game designers do get some artistic liberties, for the most part you play as the gender you choose. Not sure how this is even an issue.
MADDS755 1 posts
I freaking love being able to choose. No politics about it.
@quor321 it's an issue because in a game where PLAYER choice is supposedly important, it's is kinda disrespectful and insulting when either a bug or design flaw, negates your choice or simply infers that it it wrong.
It's similar issue when as anyone identifies as a man or woman in every day life, and someone calls you the wrong gender. Like if you call a woman 'he', it's considered rude.
Whilst not game breaking, it's a bit insulting and immersion breaking when playing as a male in an RPG game, your choice isn't reflected in dialogue options. If it's not an issue for you, or if you don't care, good for you, carry on enjoying the game.
But it's an issue for a lot of players and people whom I've spoken to about it.
Quor321 222 posts
@max18400 I get the bug issue, those can take away from enjoying the game. In no way should art, TV, movies, or games be compared to real life effects of race, gender, or any other civil rights issue. The most basic of rights is the right to live. This game tracks kills, and so do many others, so the hot social media topic of gender don't belong here.