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  • Banshstar
    Original poster 11 posts

    Reading King Alfred writings in his room I discovered Eivors last name which is Varinsdottir.

    Im playing as male Eivor and ignored that Eivor is a girls name. Also he should be named Varinsson as Varinsdottir is a girls last name.

    Also throughout the dialouges my male Eivor is reffered to as she, her and so on.

    Its clear this game was built around a female protagonist.

    Hope Ubisoft learn from stupid mistake and builds a stronger personality around the next AC game by dedicating the protagonist to one sex gender.

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  • MissM16
    213 posts

    I also picked male Eivor and (although not game breaking) this issue is starting to get on my nerves as well.

    It's a shame they chose to go this route instead of making them twins/siblings. Kill one in childbirth or Animus glitch (whatever works story-wise) and refer to the one we picked by the right pronouns or call them Wolf Kissed and Varinschild. Problem solved.

  • FylkirPanzer
    180 posts

    Agreed. It's not a "huge" deal, but it's grating to be referred by the wrong gender constantly.

    @MissM16 I agree with the twin dying in childbirth idea, that would have fit better imo, or have their twin also die in the prologue raid on their clan, which would fit with the story of Eivor's clan being destroyed, etc.

  • Karloz1995
    268 posts

    @banshstar what do you expect dude, ubisoft is an leftist company, they dont care about their male fanbase.... thats how leftist companies works, they more likely wont fix that.. sadly thats how thinks works nowadays, if u want them to listen, u need to go to twitter, they listen more to people from twitter, i dont know if they even read articles from here

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @karloz1995 it has nothing to do with politics.
    Apparently its a bug that they have addressed they will try to fix.
    Not everything is left or right. It's just bugs and severe oversight from the company.
    People have been asking for a female protagonist for years (since Ezio). It's been a conflict within ubisoft for years between the dev team and the producers. The writers and dev team clearly wanted a female leading this game as Eivor is a women's name. But the producers had no faith that a female led game would sell, thus the male options, thus pushed it in marketing and made it a requirement for the game.
    It's frustrating when the game gives a choice to choose, the just makes the game scream at you that your choice is wrong.

  • TaleraRis
    21 posts

    @banshstar


    Spoilers, not that the subject didn't already do that

    spoiler

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @taleraris that's the Canon version yes. But what about players who choose to play as a man for the whole story? Should that decision be ignored and marginalised because the devs were so confident that all players would select the 'Canon option'.
    It's not game breaking, but it's bloody annoying having npcs calling you she.
    It feels like a huge step backwards from odyssey as although Alexios wasn't canon, no piece of dialogue or gameplay feature suggested otherwise

  • TaleraRis
    21 posts

    @max18400

    In a word, yes. This is a game about playing the genetic memories of a person. The lore for future games is built on that canon. They really should just shunt the choices period because this is the one game series where trying to shoehorn it in just makes things more complicated than having a set protagonist.

    It also makes sense from the Animus standpoint. Memories are going to refer to the correct gender. So it's kind of a low-key hint of what is really going on.

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @taleraris exactly. Like there'll always be a Canon version, but if you're going to give players the choice, you need the game to accommodate both choices.
    Like first time I encountered this, I was literally like why give me a choice? Either stick to one set protagonist or have the game go around your choice.
    That they've failed to fully commit to either is really disappointing.
    As I said for about 90% of the game it's fine, it doesn't break the game. Just those times it does happen is so jarring, immersion breaking and just like, why bother giving me an option?
    But then the animus in odyssey seamlessly told Kassandra (canon) and Alexios (non Canon) apart and told the same story accommodating both options with no misgendering or incorrect naming

  • TaleraRis
    21 posts

    @max18400 Especially in Odyssey though I had the niggling "Okay so what's the REAL story" and I don't think you're ever going to get away from that in a game in the Assassin's Creed series. Memories only go one way and the Animus is built around that idea. Yeah they've tried to slide on that a bit with "simulation" but it still completely breaks the search for truth in the past if there isn't some element of a "right" way things went.

    It's just one RPG element they really need to get rid of because it causes more problems than it solves.

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @taleraris but, the story in Assassin's creed Vahalla and Odyssey wasn't based around a gender. Both their respective stories work to the same end with either protagonist as either gender. The surrounding story isn't effecting by a female Eagle bearer or a male Eivor, thru still run their course.
    There are so much more ways (arguably better ways) they can incorporate it, for example with Eivor, they could have gone a twin route, they could have done a 'the genetic material is too damaged to identify a gender bla bla'. Very few players I know play for a 'which is canon story'. They play how they want to play which is how a game such as odyysey or valhalla worked.

  • ADarklore
    175 posts

    To say these decisions aren't a political SJW decision is just wrong! Sure, AC fans have been requesting a female protagonist, but the devs should also consider the TIME PERIOD these games are taking place in and make it realistic to the time period. In ancient Greece, females were treated very poorly, even in Sparta they were never trained like the men, so when Kassandra mentions being trained at the Agoge, was a LIE... because the Agoge was only for males- that's a historical FACT. So UBI twisted historical facts to put forth a SJW narrative... and they did the same with Valhalla and it's pretty clear it was a political stunt to appease the SJW agenda. There was no reason to make Eivor a female canon, they already had Kassandra, yet they continued this narrative with no historical basis whatsoever. I'm a student of history, and seeing these type of twists of history really irk me, especially when they claim to work closely to follow historical accuracy; apparently that only applies to the surroundings, not the actual storyline of the game itself which clearly depends on the current social/political attitude of the day.

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    Mate, I've got 2 degrees specialising in Viking age history (also dipped into ancient Greece) .... I know the games aren't historically accurate. Especially Odyssey's depiction of women. Yet viking women did have a lot more rights (there are a lot of arguments for and against shield maidens) , so it was at least plausible to have a female leader/protagonist. Every single video game has to be inclusive. They have to balance the issues of historical accuracy and being a inclusive game accessible for everyone.
    I don't think it's a purposeful political marketing, i just think they're following the general trend of video games in recent years.
    Just in this game they've not done a good job of being inclusive or historically accurate (no one handed swords, butchered certain historical narratives etc.l

  • Karloz1995
    268 posts
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  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @karloz1995 there is a lot of evidence supporting the existence of female warriors in the viking age. The debate ebbs back and forth based on circumstantial viewpoints, evidence and literature. I've read the papers and analysed the evidence myself. I'm not just some bloke who's done a 5 minute Wikipedia research job. I've studied the viking age, specifically viking age warfare, for just under 5 years. The argument could go either way. Personally I do believe they did exist, but were rare. The fragments of evidence do suggest they existed and viking age law codes state women could hold land political positions, so why would it be a stretch to not be a warrior as well... Arguably political power was more exclusive than anything. And they wouldn't necessarily have to be she-hulks as you put it. Any woman has the potential to be a good as any man. To be good at fighting you needed strength sure, but you also need agility and speed, something which either a man or woman can possess. Also the height factor you're wrong there as well. The height ranged from 5.7 to 6.4 for men. The Repton warrior (viking age warrior) was estimated to have been around 6 foot tall. And about whether it's a bug or not- ubisoft have confirmed it's a bug. They have directly stated it's a bug in an earlier thread on this forum. Although I think you're right in that I do not think they'll fix it as its not game breaking.

  • Karloz1995
    268 posts

    @max18400 most woman all around the world where able to have possesions, such as land and also political positions.. is not exclusively from vikings, where only because of the abrahanization (in this case christianity) that woman loses a lot of power, but before that they were able to be (in some stuff) equal to man, that evidence u say that there were female warriors is pure fiction dude, it may sound bad, but woman where needed for other stuff, they could have all these land possesions and political positions because of man going to war, they needed somebody to take care of their nation while the man was in war, not saying there werent maybe a few woman who did fight during war, but very small group, like u can count them with your hands.. it may sounds wrong, but during this times, the world wasnt heavinly populated as todays and i believe the world population back a days was stimated to be around 250 millions around the world... so woman was very valuable back a days, may sounds irrelevant, but read tsun zu.. he explain the importance of woman during war, and is not precisely because of their "fighting" skills

  • Max18400
    410 posts

    @karloz1995 actually in Europe the vikings were unique in this feature. Their laws towards women were far more progressive. Other than very isolated cases (such as women who were royalty or in the church) women had next to no legal protection or power - they were treated as property in Christian law and Islamic law. For example, if a free-born woman was [censored], in Christian society, the accused was answerable to the women's husband or father -in viking (Scandinavian) law, the accused answerable to the woman herself.
    Also no s××t. Population of Britain was no more that 3-4 million by 1066 and Scandinavia was even less. Course there were less people. A 'large army' in the viking age was around 3000 strong. Human population has always been steadily been increasing.
    Also Sun Tzu is irrelevant to studying warfare anywhere outsider of China until the 18th century (when Westerners actually began having extensive contact with China). Also, the Chinese were a complete patriarchal society, so women effectively had very little rights, so course they wouldn't be fighting. Also he was writing in the 5th century BC more of less on the other side of the world ... Nearly 1500 years before the viking age, thus again making his work obsolete for the viking age.
    I didn't say men and women were equal in viking/ pagan Scandinavian society. Men were generally favoured as children, especially among the nobility; and the majority of women did stay at home tending to the house or fulfilling other fictions outside warfare. However, the sudden increase of women not doing this, achieving political positions/land and fighting as warriors is suspected to actually have been a contributing factor to A-the beginning of the Viking age as young male raiders lost their rights to land and titles, so looked outwards for opportunity, hence why evidence for shield maidens decreases the further you get from Scandinavia, B- why many Viking colonies (Iceland and Greenland) actually had women from Ireland, England and France as they were less likely to take up power, land or join in on warfare and coincidently also increased their conversion to Christianity.
    I could continue arguing this.
    All of this said, I think you and I will just have to agree to disagree. I can show/demonstrate my opinions/historical facts all I like, but clearly you'll not agree or accept what I'm saying regardless

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