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  • Gemini-IX
    Original poster 5 posts

    I suspect this topic of conversation is one that many are tired of, and have given up on, however I simply cannot drop it. I have long been a fan of the Assassin's Creed franchise, and I have followed the series down some amazing paths, and some more questionable ones. This latest instalment, has met a gaming need that I have been lacking and wanting for some time now; a Viking based RPG. However to my complete and utter horror when researching on how to find a sword as I couldn't seem to do so in-game, I found that for some bizarre reason, Ubisoft have chosen to not include them.

    Now some of you may think "what's the harm?" but personally I find this an egregious error on their part. Yes, Vikingrs used axes often, mainly because they were cheap to manufacture, needing wood for 80% of the body, and only a small amount of metal for the head of the axe itself. These could be mass-produced in a fairly cost-effective manner, and would be used to arm the ranks of raiding parties. However, the idea that someone such as Eivor, a "legendary" warrior would use an axe over a sword is in the bluntest terms, imbecilic. The sword was a preferred weapon amongst almost all higher-warriors, Jarls and their closer aids, commanders of raiding parties and Viking royalty.

    In fact, around a quarter-way or so into the Viking age, Vikingr's began to find that the swords used by natives in places such as Britain, France and Ireland were above and beyond the capabilities of their own meagre weapons. In fact it was often the case that the well crafted and refined weaponry of the yeomanry and militias of the Kingdoms of Britain, could cut Vikingr's own swords at the blade. I implore Ubisoft, to release some kind of free DLC, adding these sorely missed weapons to the game. It is insane that you should leave out this HUGE part of Viking history and lore. Viking weapons, and namely swords, were among some of the most starkly beautiful weapons ever crafted, made to not only kill, but often to tell stories of the bearer's exploits. I simply cannot believe that you thought about this and decided it was the right decision.

    I doubt this will ever make any real difference, but I felt the need to at least try. Not only is this historically abhorrently inaccurate, but also a huge missed opportunity for some gorgeous renderings of beautiful runic-laden weaponry from the 800th era.

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  • Enkidu98
    15 posts

    The Spear (and other pole weapon variants) was the weapon of choice for most all warriors and remained as such through most all of our history of armed, hand to hand, combat. Swords are the backup weapon for battle, they were for when your spear was no longer available/useful.

    Swords as the primary weapon are an artifact of myth and mythologizing of the past that even occurred contemporaneously. Generally, they were the weapons of chieftains etc.until the general level of iron working and mass production of swords made it a possibility that more could carry it, but even then, they were primarily a backup in massed warfare.

    Certainly, I found the lack of one handed swords a bummer. I like swords too. But if you are going to write a long post on the subject, please review and reeducate yourself.


  • Max18400
    402 posts

    I relate to this post so much. Swords were weapons of a Lord and his retinue. Symbolically they marked out a warrior in early medieval society.
    It's one of my least favourite things about the game they were ditched.
    There is hope they'll add them in at some point as it's the second most requested feature behind a transmog system , but it's so annoying their not there first place. They're my weapon of choice in early single assassin's creed game, in my historical reenactment group, I use a sword and it just makes no sense that they're not in the game.
    And yes, spears should be the most common weapon. I can't fathom why their not.

  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @max18400

    its basically the same story as in Odyssey where the iconic shield was not there for us to wear, now in their next game they thought what can we leave out this time?

    Btw the shield never did make it into the game even though it was part of the trailer..

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @asgardian02 the Eagle bearer was never seen using a shield in any trailer, and ubisoft had an excuse as to why they left it out as they wanted players to be more aggressive, use the adrenaline system, compared to origin's combat. They also said because the Eagle bearer was an outcast and was taught to fight non traditionally, they wouldn't have taught with a shield anyway.
    If course whether you agree with it or not is down to opinion.
    The absence of swords hasn't been justified or explained.

  • OrcBeard92
    141 posts

    I'm personally not too bothered about the lack of swords. Some of the seaxes you can use are almost as long as swords anyway, and were more of a common weapon back then, being a kind of jack-of-all-trades tool as well as a weapon. It only stands out in some instances where you will see NPC's carrying them, or are able to be used in executions. Eivor even picks one up in the prologue.

    As is mentioned in previous posts, there may have been some design or thematic choice behind it, however strange it might be that they didn't include them. Bayek used a shield because he is a 'protector'.
    Alexios/Kassandra use the broken spear representing a broken lineage and holding onto the past, being channelled into a cutthroat life of aggression.
    Eivor carries the small francisca on his back because of how they used it when becoming 'wolf-kissed'. Maybe this implies an affinity toward axes in general.

    I could go into more detail but I don't want to go off on a tangent. We don't really know why they're not there, but we may get them in the future. Maybe even in the DLC? Francia/Ireland may add a new weapon type as well as the gear we are hoping for.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @orcbeard92 I got to respectfully disagree with you there. Seaxes were a side arm and weren't really used in combat in ght viking age. They were really popular during the merovingian period (pre vikingl, but as swords became more common around 700, Seaxes swere seen less and less as primary weapons and more as side arms.

    There's no excuse in the game. They have either planned to release it with the dlcs or just didn't include it as an oversight.
    Based of one the producer's tweets, it was an oversight. They clearly went with the popular (incorrect image) of vikings=, big, oversized two handed swords
    (didn't even exist in the viking age) and axes

  • OrcBeard92
    141 posts

    @max18400 I appreciate you're passionate about the subject but you don't have to disagree lol. When I say 'more common' I mean they were more accessible. Virtually everyone would have access to a seax, even women. It's a knife or even a short sword in some cases like the scramasax (wounding knife) or langseax. The saxons even take their name from the weapon.

    Swords were obviously a widespread weapon, but among fyrds, seaxes would certainly be more easy to find. You see many NPC's in the game with a seax at their front or back, in an antler or bone scabbard. More iron is more expensive. Swords are a status symbol. You have to be able to pay for what you are using. Seaxes were widely used into the 8th-11th century and have been dated in burials from England to Burgundy. I never said they were a main weapon though! Just more common.

    Also sidearm is a broad term in itself. The main weapon throughout history has always been the spear. A sword could therefore be a sidearm. (It even hangs at your hip! lol)

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @orcbeard92 oh yeah absolutely. Apologies I didn't mean to sound rude or disrespectful. The spear was a mark of freedman. Every freeman owned a spear. Thing is the saxons got their name from seax, but it wasn't exclusive to them as there are more frankish burials with seaxes in then saxon graves. And as you say, they were more tools than weapons by the viking age. The sword definitely wasn't common with the fryds, it was more for rich landowners, rulers and warriors-when I say warriors I don't been the levied fryd, I mean like career warriors, a Lords retinue etc .
    In theory yes, anything could be regarded as a side arm, but swords were used by the warrior elites because they were such versatile and reliable weapons when they were well made.

  • SheriffBayek
    2 posts

    It is a very weird choice. Historically correct or not, I always like one handed swords and they are my go to weapon. I surely missed them, they should have cut the daggers instead (or just have more weapon variety, surely wouldn't have hurt).

    The closest thing to a one handed sword is using a 2-hander with a shield. But it is not the same.

  • Gemini-IX
    Original poster 5 posts

    @enkidu98 In massed warfare yes, weapons with more of a ranged ability would have been preferable, but as a student of Norse history, I must stress that raiders in particular, especially those such as Eivor is portrayed as, would have preferred the sword and axe as a close range weapon for close quarters combat in villages and towns. They were also much easier to transport back and forth from longships to shorelines.

  • davidtsmith333
    42 posts

    @gemini-ix There are a lot of excellent swords in Valhalla bro. For a good while they were my main weapon of choice.

  • TORFINR
    351 posts

    Not adding one handed swords in a viking game is an odd decision, but adding instead two handed swords and flails is just plain stupid (as both were used hundreds of years after the events of Valhalla and never by vikings).
    Hey Ubisoft, you forgot the horned helmets! Vikings need horned helmets! 😵

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @davidtsmith333 no there's not? The swords in vahalla currently look comically large and unrealistic.
    I mean if you're happy with them, crack on. But the ommision of actual viking age one handed swords as a usable weapon is a joke. I'm happy that they're going to be added at some point with either the Paris DLC or maybe even before. But they should've prioritised them over adding a syths in the upcoming druids dlc. I can't comprehend ubisofts thought process

  • davidtsmith333
    42 posts

    @max18400 Yeah but the 2-handed great swords have a longer reach and greater damage. I'm betting even if 1-handed sords were available most would gravitate towards the 2-handed great swords because of its advantage.

  • Ken_Koerperich
    52 posts

    I want a sword or axe that ACTUALLY helps a Bow User....

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @davidtsmith333 I don't agree personally. I don't use them. And I don't find the range to be an advantage. Most players (friends and people on here) want the actual one handed sword, regardless of stats. I'd much rather use an actual one handed sword that isn't comically large. Especially as it looks cooler, would be faster and actually allow you to use one of the most famous viking age weapons in a game about vikings....

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