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I would like to open this "discussion" by expressing my appreciation for the experience you have given me/us(customers). Especially in these times of the pandemic and the prohibition of any form of travelling, being able to walk in the shoes of Eivor and climb mountains and snowy peaks, traverse fields and experience virtual civilizations is and has been so far a breath of "freedom".
I also want to point out that in this world of conflicting interests, i almost fell victim to the formentioned "rival sponsored agents"- who have been flaming the game in forums/youtube videos etc.- i criticized the game (product) myself in those youtube videos (once - as seemingly being a copy cat of AC Odyssey - which is far from the truth) and almost got diverged from buying this game all together. I am happy i indugled myself.
There is this spreading base of demanding customers who are entitled to their trading rights(?)... I mean people actually feel that the 50 euro price tag they paid for a game like AC Valhalla, are enough to pay for thousands of hours of work done by : programmers, designers, engineers in all levels of production be it the visual department, the sound, the lore and story, the combat system - i mean the list can go on and on... I am not suggesting here that customers should be served trash and say thank you, i am saying that this game is a jewel of creation and the fruit of hard labor and to call it trash and demand your payment rights is a bit nonsesical. I guess for all those people the EULA is the answer. Ultimately what i want to point out is this : "It's easy to criticize creation as a consumer until you become a creator yourself".
As consumers it is wise to keep in mind that every company sells their games (products) at a loss until the game reaches a certain amount of units sold where profits kick in. So as consumers, as units in this chain of trade we should be looking at the whole picture and not our 50euro-rights and how we as units support creators (anti piracy statement). As a sign of appretiation towards the developers and in accordance to the "put your money where your mouth is" saying, i bought the ultimate edition for 100 euros.
I hope my post doesn't instigate a series of flamming and irrational selfcentered responses since it's purpose is one of providing perspective and not ruling. I tried to keep it short yet dense.
Thank you Ubisoft and developers.
Asgardian02 1932 posts
People are different and everyone has different point of reference and view.
Also by giving suggestions and feedback you enable a studio to improve, and isnt that important as well?
Nothing in this world is ever 100% good, there is always room for improvement.
By pointing that out and having an open minded discussion you can actually improve.,
whereas with only praise ppl get lazy. Who does that benefit?
I am happy for you that you liked the game, that doesnt give you the right though to act entitled and say the rest should shut up.
I imagine the 650 million they made in mtx last year for useless cosmetic nonsense more than made up for any losses they might have taken on any games, which they didn't. I doubt that any company that boasts multiple teams around the world using multi million dollar equipment have much to worry about when it comes to financing with consistent increases in profits every quarter.As far as creativity goes this is their job, they are supposed to be professionals releasing a game in the state Valhalla was in is about as unprofessional as a company can behave,Don't talk to us about being ungrateful, this company has ignored player complaints since the release of this game,and despite 3 patches people are still suffering the same bugs they've experienced all along fishing being among the worst.Let me put it simply yes when my moneys riding I'm going to demand the best gaming experience possible because that's exactly what I'm paying for.Maybe you should rethink just who is being ungrateful and demanding here.
kreutzgang 635 posts
@viem I get what you're saying as people tend to complain about stuff they don't like a lot more than saying what they do like, however personally I can't be bothered to criticise stuff unless I'm actually invested in it (as in, I have to think something is good in the first place to even bother), and customers are in their rights to say what can be improved or even what we think is bad, if we do think that.
Keep in mind that trade is a voluntary process. The purchase of the game itself, the much criticized microtransactions, it is all voluntary.
What i am discussing here is positive approach towards creation and constructive criticism from consumers. As consumers, as units our demands are in the EULA.
Do not get personal and stay positive.
@kreutzgang I fully agree with you. I like the AC franchise as a whole and also Valhalla as the latest game of this franchise. I applaud some of the choices the developers made, now and earlier on in the franchise, but I'm less happy with others. That's life. By pointing out the aspects I don't like very much (while realizing that there as many opinions as players), I hope the developers will take them into account for the next game, and maybe even in an update or DLC for this game. I don't regret paying 100 euros for the game as Ubisoft intended it, but I do regret paying that amount for the bug-ridden and unbalanced game they delivered, and still deliver after several bug patches. Too many of my 200+ hours in the game have been spent replaying parts of the game because of bugs and crashes, desperately trying to avoid bugs from happening, or checking whether or not some bug has already been fixed (mostly not).
DreadGrrl 165 posts
@viem While it is a voluntary process, it is one that is very biased against the consumer. Steam is the only platform that is even remotely on the side of the consumer (they gave me a refund for “No Man’s Sky” after I had downloaded it, played it, and deemed it crap). Sony has only sided with consumers as a retaliatory step against a developer.
Until I can say “This game sucks. I want a refund,” or, “The armour I paid extra money for did not come in at the advertised tier. I want a refund,” the process it anti-consumer.
illMac99 43 posts
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@Viem Though the process of sales is indeed voluntary, when money changes hands it then becomes contractual, and that means a fair bill of goods is expected for said money. Now ,while I do agree that games and gaming co. come under a great deal of scrutiny, it is not at all unjustified. When you consider how difficult it is to get a refund even for a broken game, is it really undignified for people to expect the game to have a high standard and too perform well, especially from a triple A company like Ubisoft? My good man while I applaud your resolve in standing by your gaming co. I believe your ideals are greatly misplaced and have labeled people unfairly. Voicing opinions be they favorable or unfavorable is not only the right of a consumer but a right we all pay for through the nose!
@duskdragon56496 I just checked whether or not I was comparing apples and oranges by comparing Valhalla to my experience with both Origins and Odyssey, which I didn't pre-order, but no: I bought Origins two weeks after release, Odyssey six weeks after release. I experienced far less bugs and crashes with those two games than with Valhalla now after almost two months and several bug patches.
@duskdragon56496 I still consider myself 'lucky' because I haven't experienced any of the really gamebreaking bugs in the main story. The frequent crashes (one every few hours of gameplay for most of the time) were the worst. Patch 1.1.1 even introduced a new kind of crash for me (black screen, buzzing sound and needing a restart of the PC). Yay!
(In my previous post I wrote "almost two months", that should be: "more than two months" of course!)
Karloz1995 268 posts
@viem i respect that u like this game, but that doesnt means people should stay quiet, when they are dissatisfied with it, some people feel ripped off with this game, and if they need to say something they should do it, everyone has their right to express theirselves what they think i believe (sometimes i got personal and got my comments removed for that) but iim trying to be more respectful at saying things. thats doesnt mean im going to stay quiet and get intimidated for getting banned, if the game is not good, we as customers has the right to made the developers know about it... not because it doesnt affect you, means everyone should stay quiet and pretend that everything is okay, we are not living in a fascist world