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  • rorobfo
    Original poster 38 posts

    Christian plate knight crusader stuff, really?
    And, please, without those ridiculous shoulder pads? Feels like playing an 80ies parody.
    Also the baroque overuse of pelt & gold makes me playing a therapy game for fragile masculists, trying to work against their inferiority complex.
    Especially on female Eivor most of the stuff looks ridiculous.
    Can we please next please get some clean dark Viking leather armor instead?
    Thanks 🙂

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  • WastelandStag
    19 posts

    It's a game, with precursor races and the idea that there's technology causing covid 19 and proctecting us from sunspots.
    It's not the history channel.
    I'd be grateful they at least made a decent attempt at getting Norse Mythology right rather than "marvel"ing it like everyone else wants to do.

  • DuskDragon56496
    367 posts

    @WastelandStag Then what's the point? What's the point of advertising it as a "Viking saga" if it doesn't matter because it's a game? What's going to be the point of The Discovery Tour if they can't bother to get the history correct? What's the point of incorporating historic people like Ivarr the terrible or Ragnor Lothbruk if they can't at least try to present an accurate accounting of what happened? When you present a game as a historic accounting of viking history then you have an obligation to get it as accurate as what we know of history allows, otherwise yes you're right it is just a game, and Ubisoft then has no right to present viking history in any light. Would you want people to remember you for a pack of lies, even if it was just in a game. People will only remember the Best, or the worst of a person, everything in between is truly lost in history, might as well get it right. Clothes, weapons the people, Ubisoft researched all this thoroughly, there's simply no excuse for getting things wrong!

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @wastelandstag considering its a game about history, at least making somewhat accurate to period is important. They have not done that at all. No chain mail armour in sight, no usable one handed swords (instead great swords which didn't even exist in the period), completely ignoring the history of some areas... I'd swap the entire mythological section for the viking age being given more respect throughout the game

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @duskdragon56496 this post is gold. Theyve basically taken a huge s**t on the viking age. Skyrim looks like a better viking age game then Vahalla and that's bad considering valhalla is supposed to be a game based on actual history.

  • OlmerGrey
    58 posts
    leather armor

    Such type of armor did not exist in the history of mankind, we atleast dont have any real archaeological finds or mentions of such thing,its more like an D&D-fantasy tipe of things.
    So it would be no less ridiculous than what we have right now... oh wait, in fact we even have couple leather-type armors already 😄 why do you need more of such nonsense? 😂

    Anyway, in my opinion "new" crusader armor set is good. Only a bit sad that its just a reskin of old one... but hey, new colors match with Carolingian armor set much better now.
    It make me happy. 😊

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @olmergrey there is evidence leather armour existed, its just very rare and fragmentary. Like it's a bit implausible to suggest that leather armour was used before and after the viking age, but not during?
    Likely if it did exist, it wouldn't have been used often

  • OlmerGrey
    58 posts

    @max18400
    Pieces of leather on fragment of clothing does not make it "LEATHER-ARMOR" though 😉 but, yeah something of leather was existing.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @olmergrey I am aware of that. Typically, (besides a few isolated cases, leather or clothing doesn't survive over the ages hence why the possibility of finding it is impossible, but there are a lot of scholars who suggest it's not out of the question leather armour existed, guys such Kim hardjar, guy halsal, Ben raffield etc. All specialists in viking age warfare suggest it was a possibility. Tbh, armour in general is very rare. There have only been 2 chain mail shirts found from the viking age in Scandinavia. It's mostly historical reenactors who are completely against leather armour as there's no concrete evidence for it.
    And to be honest, I'd rather see leather armour in this game than the ott, bright gold plate that we have.

  • WastelandStag
    19 posts

    @duskdragon56496

    TLDR: History in reality is much more "boring" than the myths and stories that retell it.

    Because people would say it's boring?
    Can you imagine period accurate weapons an armour? Axes would be significantly smaller bladed, with few if any adornments, the same with clothing and armours.

    As with Ragnar Lothbrook and other people, like any popular media they've placed myth as fact. Not to say they didn't exist, but if you look at the sagas, poems and everything else. Only some of it is confirmed from seperate sources. Ragnar existed, but he probably never came across King Aella, there's so little hard evidence forhthis area of history, especially as stories were mixed, and many written a good few hundred years after the time.

    So honestly, they did about as well as anyone, and added to make it an entertaining game, because who wants 10 variations of seax's, wood chopping axes and swords. People (including me who loves history with a significant passion) want nice looking shields, weapons, armour and an entertaining story that doesn't completely butcher history and mythology.
    I see nothing wrong with using popular myths and extrapolations in entertainment. Just not documentaries.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @wastelandstag I don't agree with you here. Some parts of history won't work in games or any modern media, but many aspects do. Weapons for example, many axes, spears and swords were beautifully decorated and adorned, not all, but many were. Like there are a few axe heads and spears with silver and bronze ingravings. Certainly not boring l. And in terms of size bigger isn't better. You never hear people say "look how rubbish the vikings were because of how small their axe heads are compared to this other fantasy game", it seems like a weird macho exaggeration they've done with the weapons in the game. An axe is an axe.... Having it supersized doesn't make it look cooler or more interesting. And I'm on board with adding non-accurate gear to the game as long as the accurate ones are there too, and in the case of valhalla, they're just not there whatsoever. No one handed swords, no chain mail, no padded armour, no leather armour (fantasy or not it's how the vikings are commonly portrayed).
    So because they've done this, they have, in my opinion butchered the period and have done significantly worse than other portrayals.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @gloomseeker I would even argue that the TV show vikings is a better portrayal than assassin's creed valhalla haha but all your points are spot on

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @gloomseeker could not agree with you more. I found vikings' inaccuracies entertaining up to season 5 (went pretty rubbish by then) as it was told like an Icelandic saga, and as someone who's got qualifications on the viking age, I appreciated it and (despite how incorrect it was haha) found it gave a better depiction of the vikings than programmes like the last kingdom.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @gloomseeker definitely. The guy who played Alfred did a great job. Just everything on the viking side of of stuff looked cheap

  • WastelandStag
    19 posts

    @max18400 Yeah, I was thinking about it after I made the post, my argument was that very few, and only the richest of society had armour etc and pretty much all decorated swords were just that, decorations, not usable. But like you said, they DID exist. Chainmail was extremely uncommon because of the expense of making it, but again it did exist. Same with shields. So from that idea, throw it in, but it still won't accurately portray the viking era because you won't have it in the context or situation it wa used in.

    So for someone to say they want realistic weapons and armour, but then want to step away from realism to be able to use rare or fancy items where they wouldn't be used. It kind of doesn't make sense to me is all.

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @wastelandstag it's to fulfill the fantasy of being a viking age warrior. Remember Eivor is a Jarl's child, adoptive child of a king and Jarl sigurd's drengir. You're character is literally the warrior elite. Your character should be using all the stylish swords, spears etc, but accurate within the period. It wasn't just the richest? The average landowner could afford a decent sword and mail shirt. Also, a richly decorated sword would have been used? There's a lot of evidence that suggests that about 90%¿ of the swords found (most which are richly decorated) were used and have trade mark signs on the blades they were used. Look at the abingdon sword for example. It was a Anglo-Saxon sword with silver ingraved pommel and hilt. It broke due to extreme stress of the blade and was then chucked in a river. Wasn't ritualistic discarded either(they were normally bent). Just because a sword or weapon was decorated doesn't mean it wasn't used. Not really sure on your argument on shields.... They were very common

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @wastelandstag building on that, there are dozens of variations of viking age swords, axes and spears, so even if a game was made only using historically accurate weapons, they'd be more variety than in valhalla anyway

  • Max18400
    402 posts

    @gloomseeker someone is laughing about this at ubisoft hahaha

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