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  • Asgardian02
    1932 posts

    @paddy234

    its weird to say that vikings would be more brutal or savage that other groups in ancient times.
    All melee combat in whatever time is in of itself pretty brutal.

  • paddy234
    8 posts

    @asgardian02 I didn't say the Vikings were more or less Savage than Ancient times, i'm simply stating that to some extent the Vikings were portrayed as the barbarians they were while the Ancients Greeks in Odyssey were portrayed as a morally upright society with similar values to a 20th century society

  • paddy234
    8 posts

    @kreutzgang I'm not saying the Vikings portrayed here is completely accurate as it certainly isn't and the developers done a very good job of watering their savagery down to make them somewhat approachable by the player however compared to Odyssey and titles before Origins they weren't afraid to also be brutally honest to portray type of savage culture that dominated Nordic civilization which is what i welcome, they still didn't go far enough in my opinion however if they did Noone would want to play as a Viking.

    If you don't understand how Odyssey is nothing more than a SJW paradise then thats on you mate, i'd suggest you at least have some basic understanding on what the Ancient Greeks were like and their culture. Odyssey portrays a culture that never existed to make it more relatable to a certain group of people who perhaps wanted to be included and not offended.

  • kreutzgang
    635 posts

    @paddy234 alright, you'd rather just be evasive and blame it on me for not getting what you are on about by osmosis. Is killing entire settlements of women "woke"? Or tons of peasants of either gender who caught you stealing? Is tossing children off a cliff because the oracle told you to woke? I could go on. But since I'm supposed to make assumptions rather than you actually explaining what you mean, I'm going to assume you want pagan cultures to be portrayed as extremely brutal, and not to have gay people even if they did.

  • Kormac67
    652 posts

    I like both games very much. And I wouldn't call content "grind".
    Both games look beautiful, of course vacation-style white sandy beaches have advantages over naturally rainy England.
    Both games have not much to do after you are finished. Conquest battles get boring quickly in Odyssey and the random fetch/kill quests are not interesting. But you have new game plus which is a great miss in Valhalla.
    Side quests (non-random) were better in Odyssey. The decision to not register "world events" as quests (with quest markers) is regrettable.
    Odin's sight and markable treasure dots on the map work better for me than the eagle system.
    Caves were repetitive in Odyssey.
    Both treasure maps and ostrakas are bad with their mostly useless hints.
    Friendly combat actually works in Valhalla, it really bothered me when Kassandra rammed her spear through someone and he said "you have become good".
    I miss the huge arrow pouch and craftable arrows form Odyssey. Predator bow is nice, Origins' quick swap is sadly missed though.
    Blowing your horn and storming an enemy camp with your buddies is awesome. Now if only you could improve their toughness. Best scrap the whole JV system and make them fully customizable, ideally with gear that actually does something instead of just cosmetics. I prefer raids over ship battles.
    Fishing is fun and relaxing.
    Kas is lovely, but I like my rough Eivor lady too, raspy voice and all.

  • Max18400
    405 posts

    @paddy234 you are joking right? They aren't brutal at all in the game or savage? They're often treated as the liberators in the game, which is the opposite of whst they actually were. They cut out a lot of brutal realities of the vikings, such as human sacrifices, killing civilians during raids, slave trade. Ngl the only brutal character is ivar who's portrayal is so laughable and incorrect it's its own problem.
    And I agree with they didn't remake history to make it suitable for a 'woke' audience (which is a wider audience and this rewriting of history is its own complex problem). But it doesn't take away from the fact an expert of ancient Greece (many of whom my friends from university are) can sit back, and enjoy and appreciate odyssey. I cannot do the same for valhalla. There's too much that's overlooked, ignored or just flat out incorrect.

  • Garbo3
    778 posts

    Well. I rather Valhalla. Didn't like having loot raining as mana from the sky . Tbh prefer this one. I enjoyed both a lot. They my faves and played all of them apart from one.Am old 😆

  • KingAltair02
    15 posts

    @kreutzgang "you can pick Alexios". Yes, we can. But what is the point in picking him if Valhalla forces Kassandra as being canon ? Same with female Eivor over male Eivor.

  • kreutzgang
    635 posts

    @kingaltair02 Can't remember which post you are referring to, and frankly I agree it's dumb to give people a choice at the same time as saying it's wrong and in Ubisoft's case it's especially clumsily done, as the games are advertised featuring the "wrong" characters. Other RPG's have demonstrated you can let people pick gender and even race without telling people it's wrong at the same time by calling them stuff like "The Dragonborn", "the hero of Ferelden", "The Watcher" or whatever. Nonetheless, most RPG's with sequels give choices that are at the same time considered "wrong", so I'm quite used to ignoring what's stated as canon by now and can replace it with my own idea. I'd still rather have options.

  • Ken_Koerperich
    52 posts

    Prefer Neither....

    1) Factually in accurate, to such a point, especially in Valhalla, it makes playing a chore
    2) Disconnect "Animus" if you kill 2 civilians...[censored]? Vikings SLAUGHTERED and then enslaved tons to be sold....so, makes game boring....
    3) Really, Eivor, before I even get to the "3rd" story, is bopping his "brothers" wife....Ugg, BORING!
    4)Odyssey IMO had better combat. More fluid, but hey, I used dual daggers/bow....Here, using a dagger is stand in one spot and go stabby stabby and 9/10 times it's into thin air...
    5)Can't craft our own arrows....bleh!
    6)Story for both was MEH!
    7)As stated earlier, [censored] happened to the BOUNTIES? Loved trying to evade or take on 5 BH's @ once...
    8)Gear selection for stats....Odyssey was pretty good as you could chose pretty well for your build. Valhalla, you really can't. You have to chose "close" to what you want and survive with it. Don't even get me started on the crap..py weapons buffz....UGG!
    9)Upgrading in Odyssey went fairly smoothly....Valhalla, OMG, for the life of me, I can't find any cloth....Let alone...Raids are way to few.....you do everything you can up to P200, and then you're stuck for 50 more levels before you can raid again....The add on Raid is a joke...I dgaf about some stupid set I'll never wear, or "mods" for my long boat that I NEVER use....
    10) If Ubi makes another, I seriously hope they rethink the game, and get away from stupid Hack n Slash/MTX bs....Go back to Assasssin's(!) Creed.....

    Oh, last thing...stealth in both was pretty crappy.....one you use a spear to teleport kill....the other, you get seen in 2 seconds unless you got it on NOOB setting......rather blows...

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