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  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    Hey guys, just wanted to start a normal civilized discussion. Emphasis on civilized.

    As I'm sure you know if you've played the game, when Layla interacts with the Staff of Hermes it says that it was obtained from the Eagle Bearer, Kassandra. Now, I am fully aware that Ubisoft decided to make Kassandra the actual "canon" (I'm using quotation marks because the whole premise of Odyssey is to create your own odyssey). However, a large portion of the fanbase also played the game as Alexios (me included). Not gonna lie, it actually is a bit frustrating to spend over 100 hours playing as Alexios, only for the next game to blatantly tell you that you played it wrong. Again, the whole point in introducing the choice was to create your own story and protagonist. I just wanted to know if anyone feels the same way I do or if you just swept it under the rug. Honestly, I think Ubisoft could have handled the situation a lot better. Maybe simply state Eagle Bearer, without the name, so that all players could be satisfied, or maybe synchronize the cloud of the games in a way in which the character that you played as in Odyssey is the one that is mentioned. I'm 100% sure they won't do any of this since this is a very low priority thing, but it would still be nice.

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  • Outlander1982
    116 posts

    @kingaltair02 Alexios was not a playable character at first,politic happened,the game is build around Kassandra as the protagonist.

    And I played with both,don't care which one they made canon,I'm way more [censored] off by the why the gender choice happened in the game,I don't think the forum is a good place to post about the issue.

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @outlander1982 funny that you mentioned that Alexios was added afterwards. A cutscene in the game kind of contradicts you. Remember when you infiltrated the cult hideout ? You stole the robes and mask of a male cult member. Males and females had different masks, so it would be kinda weird to see someone with a male costume and totally have a female voice. Kinda shows who the traitor at the meeting was. But then again, this was not the topic. I just mentioned some suggestions to a problem which can break the immersion of some players.

  • Sam_Boo26
    136 posts

    @kingaltair02 Actually it was confirmed that Kassandra was the only protagonist at first. Maybe that part of the game wasn't made when they change their mind.

    That being said, I like when they give the gender options, and I don't care of I'm playing the canon one or not, but I think the options should be justified in the game, like they did with Valhalla. If they had done such a thing in Odyssey, it would have felt natural to have only Kassandra being mentioned when Layla talked of the staff.

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @sam_boo26 I mean, I don't mind having choices, as long as they can both be canon. Otherwise, the point in having choices is literally useless. Or at least, even if they decide only one of them is canon, just keep using gender neutral pronouns for future mentions of that person.

  • Outlander1982
    116 posts

    @kingaltair02 They can't be both canon protagonist,it goes against at how the series is build. you can't build a ''historical'' story and have two different people do the same exact thing,the only thing you can do is,here it's the girl who is the canonical historical protagonist but you want to play as a male,ok here you go but he's not canonical,like they did with Valhalla,put the default option on the girl so people know who is the correct protagonist that they build their game around.

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @outlander1982 I know that, but then why have the choice option in the first place if one of the choices is basically nullified ? Like here you go, you can choose your character, but make sure you all choose this one cuz they are canon, so basically you ain't choosing anything.

  • Outlander1982
    116 posts

    @kingaltair02 I told you,it was internship politic,I don't want to bring it up here but you can google it,pretty much the same thing happened with Origin,but it's another story.

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @outlander1982 I don't want to get into what politics went into making these games. If I do, then it will take too long. But if the finished product came out with the option to choose your protagonist, then I expect Ubisoft to at least try and validate that choice in the game. In Odyssey everything was fine. Even if you played Alexios, you couldn't tell Kassandra was canon. But Valhalla basically forces the canon onto you, which I find very distasteful from Ubisoft.

  • cawatrooper9
    36 posts

    Previous series have managed stuff like this pretty well.

    Bioware, for instance. Their method for this would probably be to give use the character's generic non-gendered nickname ("Eagle Bearer", as you mentioned, being a great one, as would be "The Misthios") and then at some point maybe giving Eivor a dialogue option that would confirm the Eagle Bearer's identity.

    Something like an NPC in Norway says
    "Legend tells of the great Eagle Bearer. What was their name again? It's all Greek to me!"

    Then Eivor can answer with either "Kassandra" or "Alexios", thereby cementing the identity of the Eagle Bearer for a possible cameo in this save.

  • katzenkrimis71
    81 posts

    I just wanted to know if anyone feels the same way I do or if you just swept it under the rug.

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    Couldn't care less, as long as the writing is good.

    Most of the time the writing in video games is poor, so I just chalk it up as, "Oh, look, more bad writing in a video game."

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    Something like an NPC in Norway says"Legend tells of the great Eagle Bearer. What was their name again? It's all Greek to me!"

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    THIS. Honestly there are so many ways in which they can fix this, but they just don't care, do they ?

  • Outlander1982
    116 posts

    @kingaltair02 You need to fix all the books too,not just the game.

  • longjohn119
    423 posts

    I can't believe that people are actually Triggered by this .... With all the problems in the world today this ranks so low on my list it essentially doesn't even exist

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @outlander1982 I honestly do not care about the books. For me, AC is a game franchise. If the books are canon as Ubisoft suggests, then approximately no game in this franchise is canon because they all have a different way of portraying certain events.

  • KingAltair02
    Original poster 15 posts

    @longjohn119 I'm not "triggered". I am just pointing out mistakes in game continuity which should honestly not happen with a developer like Ubisoft. I don't care if it ranks as a high or low problem in the world. As long as a forum for discussion exists solely for the purpose of talking about the game, this is what I am doing.

  • Outlander1982
    116 posts

    @kingaltair02 They are canon that the thing and I agree about the book,they killed so much stuff behind the scene that it just felt like a big fu to the gaming fan.I'm still salty with what happened between Syndicate and Origin in a fricking comic.

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