@ubi-borealis Thanks for the update.

I have some new ones, from Lolingestone:

Weak spot hits one-shotting:
https://streamable.com/3f13jq
https://streamable.com/mqgn6j
This one's happened quite a few times. That particular enemy seems especially prone to it, but I've had it happen in every challenge. I assume the arrow is probably grazing another hitbox, but the damage icon shows the shot won't kill and then it does.

Enemy climbing/falling death:
https://streamable.com/8nuxwd
This one's pretty consistent, too. I know it's because I'm on the roof, but it's the best place to snipe from so of course I'm going to spend 99% of my time up there.

Missed headshot:
https://streamable.com/lbzk36
I've seen others mention this is an issue with shooting from below, but regardless, still frustrating when it happens. Sidenote, that enemy is also prone to walking off his platform and dying.

Hopping on/over railings after weak spot hit:
https://streamable.com/qa932e
Though they don't always fall like that, the jumping on the railing/pirouette happen pretty much every time when hit from behind.

Last one for this batch, enemies spawned out of bounds:

I do have a video, but not on this computer...if it's important, I can get it transferred. In any case, I got to the end of the trial and couldn't reach them, and so couldn't finish. It was also my first gold run after a number of attempts, which hurt. I've only had this happen once, though, so maybe it was just a fluke.

Sadly, even knowing what's happening, I'm definitely not quick enough to deal with the problem children before they do their thing. Believe me, I've tried (and tried, and tried... ).

I'm all for adding some extra enemies in challenges like this; actually, even across the board, though that's risky in the Ravens as stealth requires more fine-tuning of the level design (IMO). Safer/easier option might be just reworking the scoring math so it's a little more forgiving. I don't mind the challenge of "perfection" (despite that meaning I will never get golds in some of the Bear challenges, and how much that pains the completionist in me lol), but they do need to be consistent.

@ubi-smash Hopefully this works! https://streamable.com/063f4g

I included everything (even my terrible aim! ). It shows all of the enemies in the room initially, then at about 1:00, one seems to be missing, and at the end, two are missing.

Hope this helps!

@ubi-borealis Thanks so much for this!

Truth be told even with the fix I still struggled with this one (a lot... lol) but eventually the stars aligned and I was able to get it with room to spare.

The biggest issue for me was with headshots. It could be entirely operator error, but when firing at an angle up, even a pretty shallow angle, the arrow's drop often resulted in a kill that didn't count as a headshot. When I tried to compensate for that and aim a bit higher, the arrow often missed entirely.
It made the last room really difficult for me; I'd consistently get there with two spare headshots only to finish one short because I couldn't get credit for any of the three platform guys. I was honestly about ready to give up, but made one last attempt in full stealth mode, luring the problem children down and out one at a time. I finally got them all that way, but it took ages.

@jareds82 You need to do challenges at other shrines. Redoing the same ones won't count for the quest.

Wait, so are explosions supposed to count as indirect kills? I assumed they're treated differently, as another challenge specifically requires explosion kills.

@ubi-smash I'm playing on Xbox One, and I've also often ended up 2-3 enemies short of what's needed in this challenge. I don't know if it's the same enemies each time, but I've definitely had issues with the last "room" in the cave, especially with the enemies on the platform/walkway. Several times I've seen them, so I know they spawned initially, but after leaving that area (luring other enemies out of the cave), when I go back, they're gone. I don't know if they somehow died, or despawned, but it's happened several times.

@fortyniners354 You should be able to restart whenever you want - there's a restart challenge option on the pause menu.

@ubi-woofer Thanks for the info! That makes sense. It'd be nice if they could to tweak it, but if not, I'll live. Most of the other sections don't have very many moved/merged threads so the count usually isn't off by more than a post or two, which is fine. Here it was just so noticeable with all the mistakenly posted game feedback threads. Oh well, knowing what it is helps. Thanks again!

@ubi-woofer Sure thing -



Sorry it's tiny...I zoomed so it would be on one screen. That's page 2 of the forum feedback section. I seems like it's more frequent in this subforum for some reason, but it happens elsewhere, too.

It's not a big deal, just a little QoL thing. If it happened to be an easy fix, I'd welcome it.

@ubi-borealis Thanks so much for this!

Truth be told even with the fix I still struggled with this one (a lot... lol) but eventually the stars aligned and I was able to get it with room to spare.

The biggest issue for me was with headshots. It could be entirely operator error, but when firing at an angle up, even a pretty shallow angle, the arrow's drop often resulted in a kill that didn't count as a headshot. When I tried to compensate for that and aim a bit higher, the arrow often missed entirely.
It made the last room really difficult for me; I'd consistently get there with two spare headshots only to finish one short because I couldn't get credit for any of the three platform guys. I was honestly about ready to give up, but made one last attempt in full stealth mode, luring the problem children down and out one at a time. I finally got them all that way, but it took ages.

@ubi-borealis Are there any specific enemy behaviors that the devs would like more examples of?

@ubi-borealis I've also had some bizarre detections. This one, for example...I don't know if he really could see me up there (I certainly wouldn't have been able to ), but there's definitely a huge jump in their detection abilities from passive to even investigating. As a stealth player I can usually work with it, though sometimes they do feel a little too superhuman.

@ubi-borealis Thanks for the update.

I have some new ones, from Lolingestone:

Weak spot hits one-shotting:
https://streamable.com/3f13jq
https://streamable.com/mqgn6j
This one's happened quite a few times. That particular enemy seems especially prone to it, but I've had it happen in every challenge. I assume the arrow is probably grazing another hitbox, but the damage icon shows the shot won't kill and then it does.

Enemy climbing/falling death:
https://streamable.com/8nuxwd
This one's pretty consistent, too. I know it's because I'm on the roof, but it's the best place to snipe from so of course I'm going to spend 99% of my time up there.

Missed headshot:
https://streamable.com/lbzk36
I've seen others mention this is an issue with shooting from below, but regardless, still frustrating when it happens. Sidenote, that enemy is also prone to walking off his platform and dying.

Hopping on/over railings after weak spot hit:
https://streamable.com/qa932e
Though they don't always fall like that, the jumping on the railing/pirouette happen pretty much every time when hit from behind.

Last one for this batch, enemies spawned out of bounds:

I do have a video, but not on this computer...if it's important, I can get it transferred. In any case, I got to the end of the trial and couldn't reach them, and so couldn't finish. It was also my first gold run after a number of attempts, which hurt. I've only had this happen once, though, so maybe it was just a fluke.

@nanonano2 There's a topic about the issues with this challenge here. Hopefully they'll get it sorted, because I'm in the same boat.

@fortyniners354 Oh, yeah sorry I misunderstood. Do the medals affect the arc? I kind of blasted through the whole thing, mostly just accepting what I got.

Since finishing, though, I've done a lot of replays to try for more golds. That "Restart Trial" button and I know each other very, very well at this point... lol

Sadly, even knowing what's happening, I'm definitely not quick enough to deal with the problem children before they do their thing. Believe me, I've tried (and tried, and tried... ).

I'm all for adding some extra enemies in challenges like this; actually, even across the board, though that's risky in the Ravens as stealth requires more fine-tuning of the level design (IMO). Safer/easier option might be just reworking the scoring math so it's a little more forgiving. I don't mind the challenge of "perfection" (despite that meaning I will never get golds in some of the Bear challenges, and how much that pains the completionist in me lol), but they do need to be consistent.

Wait, so are explosions supposed to count as indirect kills? I assumed they're treated differently, as another challenge specifically requires explosion kills.