I was so exited and happy for the Conqueror and Shaolin reworks, until Ubisoft decided to change route and make more Pirates. I deleted this game yesterday already because I was sick of fighting S tiers 75 percent of the games I played. I thought I would install again next season after some valuable nerfs happened and after the reworks I thought would be great. But instead, they barely touched Pirate and never even mentioned any of the other S tiers. And the reworks, which before looked very balanced, broke my heart. Infinite unblockables for Conq, infinite lights for no reason, feintable bash that wasnt even punishable on whiff to begin with. Shaolin is Hitokiri 3.0, why did they have to make him unstoppable. Before it's like if he missed a bash you could attack back. But now he can just chain to heavy or light and never stop his chains. Plus they buffed his trajectories and dmg. The neutral bash was cool but that was it. WHY CANT YOU JUST MAKE STRONG HEROES WHO CAN BE STOPPED, WHY THE INFINITE NEARLY UNPUNISHABLE CHAINS WITH ENDLESS MIXUP POTENTIAL? I thought these reworks would redeem the last 4, but they look worse, WORSE, BLOODY HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH THIS!!?!?!? WHERE ARE THE MUCH BEGGED FOR NERFS????? I'M BLOODY DONE WITH THIS WALK IN TORTURE FEST!!! We ask for nerfs and you give is more Pirates. Any heros that isnt S tier isnt even playable anymore. Unplayable. So I quit. I cant bear it anymore. My favourite all time game gets worse every season. A colossal shame. I'm very sad. Ever heard of listening to the community? You should learn from Epic Games, they make weekly updates, constantly making balance changes. Fortnite is still thriving. And for good reason. They care for the community.

Dont know what about Orochi being able to chain into his entire moveset is okay after whiffing his bash. The odd time your not getting undodgeable everything spammed and manage to dodge a kick you are met with absolutely no way to punish. he can already recovery cancel EVERY SINGLE attack. Oh, whats that, so can Zhanhu. Can Zhanhu delete your entire health bar with only a forward fking dash. He is the only FKING character I find in deuls. I rejoice when I fight Kyoshin, I party when I get a WL. I cant play my damn game because every single attack is either undodgeable, unblockable, or a FKING bash...WITH NO WAYYYYY TO PUNISH!!!!! THIS IS A BLOODY FKING JOKE. Remove his chains after missing his bash and make his undodgeable "heavy" actually the speed of a heavy like Cents at least. This Bi**h A** joke of a character single handedly breaks the game.

@kioxoh Very interesting. I think after Pirate. People just dont want new heroes. We want the existing ones changed. Reworked and balanced better first. Every time a new hero releases, the game becomes more braindead and unbalanced. They would find a way to make your idea a living hell for the community and intoxicate the game more. I'm sorry man, I know you spent a lot of time into this post. I just know that another new hero, while exiting, would be unhealthy for the game at this stage. I appreciate this post though. Cool idea. Maybe in the future it could happen once Ubi learns to make a playable against character. Pirate just murdered our aspirations for this games future lol

@Shogun3554 LMAO. Wonder who said that🤪

1. Temple Garden Point A has a sound glitch.
2. In the Dominion match with the Ballistas, the beginning cinematic before the match starts also has no volume for when the minions speak.

@deathtocakl I'm not simply complaining without an argument. I point out things that are in need of a buff or a nerf. In Pirates case I spoke on how he needs to have openings after missing a bash. And about the forward heavy, yes I was straight up complaining. I should have given ideas on how to fix that move instead. As far as the Zhanhu post. Some things are just so rediculous it feels almost necessary to be sarcastic/comedic about it. But I still did mention the obvious course of action was to allow him to chain his moves with frame advantage. You see, I do argue points and I do also rant. But bare with me and understand that people vent sometimes. It's a game we all mutually love and heros like Pirate have us boiling. But you did make an excellent observation when you told me to be specific when I argue the changes I think are appropriate. Thank you for that. I will try to do this but be nice and treat people like we are equal. Because everyone shares this vibe that you behave like a demigod who flaunts his birthright no offense intended

@MCBooma16 What makes you think anyone here wants the game balanced around old gen? We arent naive to not realize how detrimental that would be to PC players. No one said to boost FPS on consoles and PC. No one said reverse the hidden indicators for PC. Everyone here on Shoguns side is supporting the same cause. Fairness. Like how the game was before new gen was released and crossplay occurred. We are all just coming up with ideas that would bring balance to all players. None of us are experts and have degrees on coding so we arent aware of what is possible to make happen. So far we have mentioned

1. Boosting FPS for old gen to match new gen at the cost of graphics
2. Giving the option for crossplay to be disabled (less desirable is it would impact matchmaking)
3. Frame capping PC to be more in lign with new gen consoles when crossplay is enabled
4. Removing the hidden indicators on console

I don't think I missed any ideas but someone bring it up if I happened to. We dont know if any of these ideas are mechanically possible or how difficult it would be to make happen if it was. But just understand that we arent crybabies complaining and begging out of selfishness and disregarding everyone one other platforms and consoles. We are all just trying to find that common ground where we can fight as equals. At least more so. Fairness. A sensible person would have understood that by now. So I dont want to hear another word out of you saying we want the game balanced around a console made like 8 years ago. Because we dont. (Fairness = fun for everyone) = more players

@shogun3554 They removed it because it made clearing B to large a task. Took MUCH longer. I too wish they kept it but just made clearing B more rewarding perhaps. Because they were just bloody awsome. Soo cool. I'm sure there is a way they could have balanced it. Instead the chose tonspend their time making op heroes that ruin the game smh

@woldy-02 Shaolin was the worst hero in the game before his rework. I agree he is too strong because of all the issues with his sweep

1. Trying to dodge the sweep is agony because I try to dodge left and right and still get swept part of the time unless I dodge attack. The timing us very strict. I dont have this problem against Hito.
2. Swept opponent gets super armor placed on them, severely increasing the damage they can take before returning to their feet.
3. The sweep isn't punishable by gb like all bash heavies should be.

His sweep is what makes him broken. If they fixed these three things I think the character would be balanced enough.

@undondory That Grandma one is creepy amazing. I'm not on PC so Its a lot more difficult to do this

@Bazo_de_Great I think every game should offer a small match experience bonus are some sort of small prize to reward rematches. Like best of two. First person to win two matches gets a reward. If you won once and then leave you still get a reward but lose out on the bonus reward for winning the set.

@BEN2TAHITI okay, your clearly very new to For Honor. Every character can parry it. If you can block it, you can parry it. If you can react to heavy attacks you can react to this dodge attack. If you are fighting an opponent who dodge attacks a lot. Just feint your attack then parry their dodge attack for a free counter

@BEN2TAHITI there is nothing broken about this dodge attack. You just need to parry or deflect it. The only overpowered dodge attacks are Conqs, Shugokis, and Shinobis

@Obeltor the damage of heroes isnt broken in most cases, its how the characters are able to get that damage. Characters like Medjay and JJ for example have damage that is too high for the low stamina costs. I think Hitokori actually does less damage with her heavies then many heroes and there is nothing over powered about the character because her damage numbers are low and everything is properly punishable on whiff. Pirate is absolutely broken yes, but not because of her dmg numbers. Zhanhu is very strong in team fights but horrible in Deuls, again, not because of the damage output but because her methods to access that damage are weak. Berserker I want nerfed. He shouldnt be able to feint a heavy to a 400ms enhanced, hyper armor light that can also recovery cancel dodge on whiff. It's way too broken in deuls.

Your confusing how much damage a character can do per attack with a characters ability to actually access that dmg. Zhanhu for example hits very hard with the heavy finisher but is interruptable with a light attack unless you actually land a heavy before the heavy unblockable. Meaning Zhanhu is capable of big damage but struggles to actually access that big damage

@ItsOverAnikin I honestly see PK as almost top of the list of needed reworks. With out a doubt the worst character in team fights and without an opener still

@undondory I've breached the 400 rep mark. Pico's clan is growing in numbers which reinforces my sanity. My mission has to been to recruit and lead the clan in strategy so that we may grow in numbers and skill. Looking forward to hopefully some good balance changes this month which are few and far between. You know us Forum gnomes, For Honoring is life! So will life be good for me in the near future JC Frenette?

@undondory Ola

@trustee it's what Ibe being saying. The dash forward bash requires all guard to be entered first so it isnt a good opener. But I think her heavy finishers are fine. The side heavies will catch empty dodges and she can deflect or light parry dodge attacks that arent tracked.

@KARAMELLI_BORU Shugokis only problem is the broken I frames and safety of his dodge headbutt. There are characters with much better AOE unblockabkes and armor like Raider, JJ, and Medjay for example. With Shugo it's just one and done with his unblockable. His armor was only a problem before when his lights were armored. His (non unblockable) armored heavies can just be blocked without having to make a read. It's not bad. But his headbutt has got to be one of the most rediculous moves in this game right now. Shugo is S tier, but not due to his heavies

@Miss-Sekira no, you physically can not find a match if you disagree crossplay. Once in a blue moon possibly.