@tskales Not sure about Origins but Valhalla gives me nothing that Odyssey gave me, but it does take a load of stuff away. Does that count?

I am part way through another run of Odyssey and have no desire to go back to Valhalla. It feels so dead dull and lifeless compared to Odyssey.

@asgardian02 UBI games are what I play mostly. Now when it comes to this one, AC Valhalla, all I can say is watching my doggy wag it's tail is far more entertaining. The worst piece of boring tripe UBI has ever put out.

@fimbulthulur I never play a game with gender issues on my mind, but when the dev's make the game with gender issues on theirs, that is when they take away the immersion and connection for the player and attempt to lead the player by the nose. In short, they ruin their own game trying to get a political message across which has the effect of turning the player against said message. They do more harm than good.

@kormac67 Yeah, I find she fits the bill of a Viking war madden right down to the gravel voice which I expect is due to the wolf bite.
@:OP, if you want ugly females try Watchdogs legions. You will find some top ugly there.

@sparhawk122 Like you come upon 2 leaders of a clan, The female is hero material while the male is a blabbering idiot and coward. It does grind in you no mater if you are male or female in rl. This open prejudice against men is alarming and wrong.

@sir_magnetron This forum suits the game. They are both worse than the last one.

@n-travkin After the nice smooth game-play of Odyssey Valhalla feels as clunky as hell and very ugly. Also in Odyssey you felt like a skilled warrior, in Valhalla you feel like a drunken street fighter.
I am not a fan of this game so far.
Agreed, very poorly optimized. Some of the fighting becomes a slide show.

Please bring back the old forum, this one is so clunky and hard to navigate. The old forum was perfect, why did you feel the need to punish us with this messy thing. On the old forum I could quickly find topics I was looking for. On this one.....forget it. Besides this forum being a broken not fit for purpose mess, it looks horrid, the old one look dead lush.
Please tell us why have you changed the good forum for this thing? I would really like to know your reasons.

@droid8apple If the games were switched around and Odyssey had been released AFTER Valhalla then it would have been believable and a definite improvement. It's unusual to see a downgrade to a game rather than a improvement and it's very noticeable.
Or if Odyssey had never been released then Valhalla might have seemed to be a improvement.

@offworlder1 Why have they done this? It's horrible. Why do they always have to fix stuff that worked perfectly?

@asgardian02 Even the Valhalla forums are worse than Odysseys.

@droid8apple A downgrade in ALL ways. I cannot name one single thing that isn't worse. Odyssey is a mountain which Valhalla never managed to get to the foot of.

@asgardian02 UBI games are what I play mostly. Now when it comes to this one, AC Valhalla, all I can say is watching my doggy wag it's tail is far more entertaining. The worst piece of boring tripe UBI has ever put out.

@longjohn119 Fenyx is UBI game of the year in my view. It's hands down more entertaining now than Valhalla ever will be. They have played Fenyx down, hardly any hype because they know it will sell it's self.

@snakeeater49910 You are pointing the finger at 'EVERYBODY' . So you think everyone is a spoiled brat but yourself. is that what your saying? I would say that is not a very mature thing to say. I for one am grateful for UBI as I love the majority of their games.

@distrust74 As you say, I couldn't find one thing or goal in Valhalla to hook on to, to motivate me. So inevitably boredom sets in pretty quickly.

@fimbulthulur I never play a game with gender issues on my mind, but when the dev's make the game with gender issues on theirs, that is when they take away the immersion and connection for the player and attempt to lead the player by the nose. In short, they ruin their own game trying to get a political message across which has the effect of turning the player against said message. They do more harm than good.

@ezio-a-kenway I have to admit I was only able to play around 4 hours of Valhalla before I gave up due to extreme boredom and disinterest. I am usually a big fan of all UBI games but not this one I'm afraid.
It actually feels as if the dev's were bored when making it, like they couldn't be bothered.

@ac-talentless I'm playing the fantastic Immortals Fenyx rising. What a great game. I'll be leaving Valhalla alone for a few years until it's matured.

@rhylass If you like this one then you will go loopy over AC Odyssey.