I voted 3 and I'm a full PVE guy. But this set is way overpowered.
If you really think it's not, try this:
HB with memento and closer chest, technician. But, all HB cores on skill.
What you get out of it is a skill tier 6, 2 blue one red killing machine with drone and turret.
Your skills take away lots of the aggro so you has now hazzle to keep up your stacks.
And if you're using a in sync weapon, the slaughter can begin. Your skills on tier 6 do a lot of dmg already and you does it too, because you have 1.2 mil armor and you're stacking a ton of bonus armor.

Even if played as "standing in the open dps tank" this build is way too strong. But if you turn it into a yellow skill build with 1.2 mil armor, this is literally a terminator, a T-1000.

What I say is: this set is not in line with the other sets. It's way stronger than any other set or build combination. Its best in slot. It's meta. It kills the balance.
I really like feeling powerful, but not in this way. There is no real downside on this set. Just hit the enemy (after being pulsed in any way) and bam, there is your dmg and armor.

Nope.

Ok, so, after playing around even more with HB, it really strenghtened my view that HB needs a nerf. Here comes why.
But before that, some hints for those of you guys who are saying "I can't get HB to run, I have problems with stacks, I outperform HB with blablabla"
Get the HB set. I prefer to play HB set, Memento, one ceska piece of choice, rest HB parts. All rolled for crit. I play 3 red, 4 blue, one yellow. Technician.
Get a Kingbreaker and an ACS12 (don't care about the stats or talent on it, just get one).
Attach Technician Laser to the weapons. Skills are Shield (which is Tier 6 in this setting) and another skill of your choice. Playstyle: Rush into the enemys, stick your ACS right into the mouth of one NPC and empty your mag. Now switch to Kingbreaker and start the rampage.
Hide behind a more than 5 mil shield, deal 1.2 mil crits to the enemys and stack metric tons of bonus armor.

And peps here we are at the problem with this build.
To bring it in perspective: Just a few minutes ago I put a all red rifle build together to lvl up my Diamondback. Normally a fun build with 220% crit dmg and dealing up to 4.5 mil crits.
It was fun till HB appears.... Because now I know that there is a build, absolutly easy to farm, which gives me 1.2 mil crits at 600 rpm and without any worries about my survivability....

Now before anyone says: Then everything else then HB needs a buff... Guys... Whats easier? Nerfing one set till its in line with the rest? Or buffing everything else (including all brand sets) and starting a complete balancing loop with plenty of patches over weeks or months?!
And: Haven't we learned that its not good when the devs start to touch every mechanic and stat?

HB is way too strong. It needs to be nerfed. This is not just meta. This is "best in slot for every slot".

Of course, other sets really needs a buff, even before HB appears on the scene. Looking at you Ongoing Directive, Patriot, Tip of the Spear... But thats another discussion.

@dedloc
Oh holy build god, you're the only one who knows whats right.
I see now, that I'm not worthy after 4k hrs in the game.
I am an unworthy worm and I awaits to be enlightend by you, oh holy build god!

You're right. With everything.
No nerf needed. All red dps is the way!

Now I learned, numbers and calculations are nothing! They lie all the time! How wrong I was?!




Serious, I'm done here, this is ridiculous.

@dedloc
What was your intention when you started this thread, "bro"? Just trolling?
Or do you really want to discuss something here?

@dedloc
Ehmm, you're putting expertise upgrades into your calculation? Maybe thats why you still can't do the math.
To explain this nice and easy: You can expertise upgrade every weapon! Shockingly surprising. I know. So, you can upgrade your weapons used in your all red build, and i can upgrade my weapons in my HB build.
So can we agree, that we can take expertise upgrades out of this calculations? Good.

Since you're still saying spreadsheet calculations are just "theoretical", I say it again: Use HB build, rush to an enemy, put your ACS (or RocknRoll) into his mouth and fill him with bullets. Voila: Full HB stacks. And here we go with my "theoretical" numbers.
Oh, and what I described before, HB with Kingbreaker, 3 red, 4 blue, 1 yellow.... Remember the dmg numbers I wrote there? 1.2 mil at 650rpm with Kingbreaker at max stacks (and as I showed just 2 secs ago, it takes me literally no time to get full stacks), these numbers are not theoretical calculated on my spreadsheet. I took those numbers from the combat log in the game.
Do you still say that your all red dps build can compete with HB? When I go on full red HB, you achieve numbers close to 3mil crits. With Kingbreaker. At 650rpm.
HB is the Top Notch set in the game. Only headhunter builds could have higher numbers, but for that you literally have to use an aimbot.

Where the fun is in this you ask? I don't know. HB gets boring very quickly for me. Thats why I say it needs a nerf (and other sets need a buff).

@monkeydunkyy
Sorry to say but you're wrong. Even if you already achieved all rewards in your first run, you will get rewards in the re-run.

So there is a bug here.

For me it is the same on PC. All rewards are checked and I get no new rewards.

@oatiecrumble
My build looks nearly the same.
For weapons I clearly rely on fast hands. Vector, MPX or Tommy Gun.
Strained on low RPM smg is a nice alternative like on a 1928 or go with cold relations.

But my favorite is clearly Chicago Typewriter with fast hands She is the sustain dmg king of the SMGs (besides exotics^^)

@ubi-froggard
If you personal would be on our side, if you would be the customer, would you be satisfied with this "amount" of information?
Would you be cool and calm, when additionally to the crashfest this game already is, the awards are not given?
If you would have invested 200 or 300 bucks into the game over the years, because you really love the game and you want to support the devs, would you be pleased with the product in its actual state and in particular with the way in which you are dealt with on the part of the support?
Really, I'm asking you as a person and not as a Ubi employee.

@dedloc
Yeah, of course... I'm telling a story *facepalm*
And thats why literally every speedrunner uses HB now.... because it's weaker and more difficult to play then your all red build...
"Bro", you are simply telling stories here. HB is stronger than all red glass cannon. It's stronger on paper, on the sheets and in the game.
I guess you even would stand your point, when I post screens and vids were I show you in gameplay that HB is stronger.

Here we are. June 2022 and this bug still persists. I have to enter 2FA codes nearly every time I log in. Connect or browser doesn't matter.

But hey, we have the "thoughts and prayers" from the devs... (SCNR)
This behaviour is so Ubi-like. Yes, I'm looking at you The Division DX12 Crash Bug (persists since the first game and is still around in the second).
Having good and well made products, thats great marketing. Having poor maintained products, were you can feel how much the devs don't care, is really bad marketing.
But, we the cash cows, still pay enough money. Everything is fine then, isn't it?

@superbiber
Bzw besorg dir eine Super 90 oder Marine Super 90 mit Pummel. Ist dann zwar nicht die perfekte Version des Talents, aber das Handling ist dann ähnlich.

Oh, du bist hier übrigens im englischen Forum, andere Sprachen als englisch sind hier eigentlich nicht zugelassen

@oatiecrumble
My build looks nearly the same.
For weapons I clearly rely on fast hands. Vector, MPX or Tommy Gun.
Strained on low RPM smg is a nice alternative like on a 1928 or go with cold relations.

But my favorite is clearly Chicago Typewriter with fast hands She is the sustain dmg king of the SMGs (besides exotics^^)

@oatiecrumble
True. and it's clearly not op. Because this vid is made with countdown dmg buffs on. Without the buffs its dmg wise only average.
I run the exact same build. It's insane, as long as you only encounter elites and named. When veterans or reds joining the rumble, like in the open world or missions, things get out of hand quickly^^
But in countdown its a great build.

I tested this aswell and can clearly say: The full flag explosions are not scaling with the enemys armor and health. You can easy replicate this issue on the shooting range.
But, with some effort you can also replicate it in the open world or mission (don't forget to activate combat log).
Kill an enemy with full flag while another one is next to him.

I'm also pretty sure its not a description bug, because in the description of the full flag effect is a special part about named enemies and that the amount is reduced for them. For obvious reasons when the explosion really scales on enemys armor and health.
Thgis would create massive multimillion explosions for named enemies.

Anyway, seems the devs really needs to take a closer look at True Patriot. Maybe this set will finally wake up from hibernation.

@dedloc
Oh holy build god, you're the only one who knows whats right.
I see now, that I'm not worthy after 4k hrs in the game.
I am an unworthy worm and I awaits to be enlightend by you, oh holy build god!

You're right. With everything.
No nerf needed. All red dps is the way!

Now I learned, numbers and calculations are nothing! They lie all the time! How wrong I was?!




Serious, I'm done here, this is ridiculous.

@dedloc
Ehmm, you're putting expertise upgrades into your calculation? Maybe thats why you still can't do the math.
To explain this nice and easy: You can expertise upgrade every weapon! Shockingly surprising. I know. So, you can upgrade your weapons used in your all red build, and i can upgrade my weapons in my HB build.
So can we agree, that we can take expertise upgrades out of this calculations? Good.

Since you're still saying spreadsheet calculations are just "theoretical", I say it again: Use HB build, rush to an enemy, put your ACS (or RocknRoll) into his mouth and fill him with bullets. Voila: Full HB stacks. And here we go with my "theoretical" numbers.
Oh, and what I described before, HB with Kingbreaker, 3 red, 4 blue, 1 yellow.... Remember the dmg numbers I wrote there? 1.2 mil at 650rpm with Kingbreaker at max stacks (and as I showed just 2 secs ago, it takes me literally no time to get full stacks), these numbers are not theoretical calculated on my spreadsheet. I took those numbers from the combat log in the game.
Do you still say that your all red dps build can compete with HB? When I go on full red HB, you achieve numbers close to 3mil crits. With Kingbreaker. At 650rpm.
HB is the Top Notch set in the game. Only headhunter builds could have higher numbers, but for that you literally have to use an aimbot.

Where the fun is in this you ask? I don't know. HB gets boring very quickly for me. Thats why I say it needs a nerf (and other sets need a buff).

@dedloc
Yeah, of course... I'm telling a story *facepalm*
And thats why literally every speedrunner uses HB now.... because it's weaker and more difficult to play then your all red build...
"Bro", you are simply telling stories here. HB is stronger than all red glass cannon. It's stronger on paper, on the sheets and in the game.
I guess you even would stand your point, when I post screens and vids were I show you in gameplay that HB is stronger.

@dedloc
What was your intention when you started this thread, "bro"? Just trolling?
Or do you really want to discuss something here?

Wow, this thread is REALLY interesting. I always felt, or thought, that something is odd with Patriot, but I never could say what it is.

The interesting question ist now:
Is it working as intended and its just a description bug, like @Ubi-Mark says?
Or is the description correct and the mechanic is broken? (which would make way more sense)