@mexicantemplar All your posts seem to be weird paranoid rambling about how you hate "leftists" and blame them for something else you hate, which seems to be the fact that not everyone is 100% some kind of gender stereotype. You need to move on to reddit or 4chan.

@imbue_ okay so Valhalla is a bit of a mess and the River Raids suck, but on the grand scale of things Ubisoft games are not actually worse than most others, and better than a lot. I got my money's worth out of every one I bought except Unity, including Valhalla. The real issue is that they invest so much effort in trying to get people to buy crap from the Helix store, and in the case of Valhalla specifically, that it's just not designed in the way they market it. It's basically a linear game stuffed into an open world, which is in turn stuffed with grindy crap in lieu of things that actually make an open world fun, and has zero replayability or anything motivating players to keep playing once they finished the story. That wouldn't matter if it was marketed as a game you play for the story, but it's marketed as a game one can keep playing. That said, it's definitely madder to moan on a ubisoft forum about games you do not buy than to buy them and then moan, and no one's gonna stop buying Ubi games cos you compared them to pigs on the forum, lol.

@asgardian02 how is it cheating to use assassination in an Assassin's Creed game? Also, in all games that give you character classes, rogues/assassins etc do a ton of damage but die easily. While that's not the case in Valhalla, it's due to everyone having all skills, not b/c playing assassins is easy in general. Personally I think it's much easier to play as a warrior type. *shrug*

@brucehillracing doesn't bother me either. However, the fact they put so much effort in that and hardly any in fixing the game etc is .... annoying. Plus it's bad practice to keep selling people stuff with rune slots they've officially stated will get nerfed.

@patricia81994 what's even worse is they advertise the game with the male and then say the female is canon. Then advertise it with the female too.

The worst thing about Odyssey is the lack of cats.

I think it's funny someone would single out Odyssey for trying to do its own thing, when it clearly built on Origins, while Valhalla acts like Odyssey never existed and suffers for it.

@b00msie Either I don't know what grinding is, or some people on this forum have not finished Valhalla.

How is Odyssey grindy in comparison to Valhalla?

• Valhalla has a metric ton of "collect random crap from culling entire species" goals, when this includes fishing, the grind level is literally peak.
• On a similar note, the stuff you have to collect in the vision sequences
• Reda's quests consist of a max of 5 goals you have to repeat over and over, only getting marginally less repetitive if you switch the quest givers.
• The sheer number of locked doors for every crap chest/curses and so on get super repetitive, i.e. grindy.
• Collecting all the rubbish to upgrade everything (armour, weapons, rations, quiver, settlement)
• Collecting the Roman artefacts
• Collecting random stuff that in some cases doesn't even serve a purpose beyond collecting it (e.g. Rigsogaur or whatever it's called)
• Running out of arrows/rations
• Weekly challenges
• Not to mention people scouring the entire map for Odin's Runes etc, as there are allegedly "mysteries" to be found ...

These are off the top of my head. That's literally MMO-level grind. The only non-grindy thing is the lack of gear and the fact you know where to pick it all up as it shows up on the map.

So what's grindy in Odyssey? Picking up crafting materials? - considerably less boring than any type of collecting stuff done in Valhalla, except when it comes to dismantling/selling, which can get tedious. IDK about the weekly challenges as I never noticed them in Odyssey. Recurring "go and kill x bandit" quests can easily be ignored.

As for godlike powers, no fall damage is a QoL feature. Just don't jump off stuff and walk/ride around it if it's such a big deal. In Valhalla otoh everyone is a god once they hit 400 power level (and to avoid it you'd have to stop investing in the skill tree at 300 at the latest), except for the fall damage, and it's annoying as hell when you teleport to a sync point and then end up breaking your neck because it points you in the opposite direction from the haystack, or you're trying to follow a tattoo paper (oh wait, another grind I forgot to mention, and oh yeah, the treasure maps), and have to turn the camera up to keep it in view so cannot see where you are going and - ofc - break your neck again.

And finally, the puzzles etc are fine at the beginning, and I doubt anyone would have an issue with them if there weren't so freaking many of them.

@whocares78 what's hilarious is that even ancient rpg's that offer stealth as an option have stealth and assassin gameplay that is vastly superior to Valhalla, like Kingdoms of Amalur LOL.

@viem Also hopefully with more variety than the 4 Reda has

@wildhunt that's exactly how it seems to me. It's like Odyssey never happened.

@torean9990 I recommend coming back to them later if you are struggling. I couldn't do the last two in the main game at all and wasted hours on them. Then just left them for a few weeks and when I tried them again later, they were easy. I think if you fail too often it makes you lose the required patience.

@micon2 I can't do them either and I'm not prepared to waste my time trying to get it right; it's a horrendously dumb mechanic and should not be required for completing unrelated goals in the game. As for the hint, in the Druids DLC, I just found it randomly lying around on a tavern table after I decided to ditch the dumb drinking due to the swaying crap (reloading saves seems to glitch this game out bad). For the one in the main game, you can google where the order member is that requires a drinking game. Lame, but life's too short to waste hours battling with dated quick time mechanics that make you want to jump out of your skin.

The difficulty in Valhalla only applies to combat. Sadly for those of us that suck at quick time events, badly implemented platforming, or stone stacking (I can actually do them though), we are stuck losing our minds or just not bothering with that stuff.

As for the ship episodes in Origins, I suggest playing Black Flag or Odyssey first, as then you will have a better idea of how to do it.

@daelosthecat If you bought the season pass, the DLC is worth playing for the story. However, it's not more challenging. There are some annoying enemies that might take you by surprise and dumb fog that's supposed to make it hard I guess, but it's just like playing an easy game wearing the wrong glasses. You can make it harder by using the sickles, but it's still not hard per se. For perspective, I've never played any AC game on a setting above normal, but I cranked Valhalla up to Drengr at some point and it's still a lot easier than the others on normal, at least for me, and in spite of the clunkiness. While there's lots of new gear in the expansion, I just stuck to what I already had, because the new stuff didn't strike me as any better and upgrading stuff in this game is grindy and tedious. I upgraded 3 weapons and tried to do the same for a new armour set, but half-way through I ran out of titanium in spite of having cleared the entire Ireland map, main maps, river raids and having spent a fair amount of time aimlessly wandering around or completing challenges, but it's w/e anyway as there's no real reason to change gear except YOLO. Also, the game was much more clunky and glitchy for me in the expansion. There appears to be a new bug that makes you sporadically constantly get stuck while moving, including in battles.

@ctgt06 the game is definitely clunky. The camera is all over the place in combat, and the annoying finishers swing it around to make sure someone if battering you before you can react your way back into the game. Not that you die, because you are a god, but it's still freaking annoying. IDK if it's only me, but aiming is terrible. Even with aim assist on, my bow will just snap from one side of what I'm aiming at to the other instead of to the actual target. I also kept getting stuck in ability mode for some reason, where moving around would make me use abilities and only completely shutting the game would stop it. The game starts off reasonably challenging but eventually gets trivial and it's the only AC game I've ever played on the hardest setting (the others are considerably harder for me on normal, lol). Why we had to return to quick time events is also beyond me. I loathed them in AC3 and Black Flag and I don't like them any more in Valhalla. Also, the Valhalla devs seem to equate not being able to see anything with challenge. All the various "features" involving fog etc are really taxing on the eyes and give me a headache.

@b00msie I also restarted Origins. IDK how they managed to downgrade something fluid to something so clunky and glitchy.

@whocares78 what's hilarious is that even ancient rpg's that offer stealth as an option have stealth and assassin gameplay that is vastly superior to Valhalla, like Kingdoms of Amalur LOL.

@kormac67 Have to agree the MTX are completely irrelevant at the moment. I've never felt even remotely tempted by them and also really struggle to spend opals and their equivalent. In Valhalla so far I've bought a gnome and an axe with them, both by accident. OFC that will change if they really only make free to play games in future, as they've suggested, as they will then probably design them with the sole purpose of making the games unbearable unless people pay on a regular basis. However, I think people are annoyed that the games remain buggy and glitchy while MTX are churned out weekly. The games are not cheap, so it's understandable players will want a finished product as opposed to the company seemingly being over-concerned with making more profit while leaving the games in a sub-par state. For instance, the stutter while walking or running I've mentioned before in this thread is so annoying it makes me close to quitting the game regularly, and constantly having the cloak back on although it's hidden is also annoying though in a different way, to mention but 2.

Personally I'm fine with the new type of game as long as I can still play an assassin without it feeling outrageously cumbersome and having a character that clearly states they think it's BS. I never play warriors if I have the choice, so being more or less be forced to play one in this franchise of all things really annoys me.

As for the Children of Danu reward. It's indeed better than a shield. I was kind of hoping for a sickle as we seem to be supposed to be using them, but after dual wielding the ones I have, I think I changed my mind as they seem pretty terrible. LOL.

Ugh. Both rewards from sub-"quest" lines are spoiler Who even uses them anyway? *eyeroll*

@outlander1982 I've said it idk how often, but one could play Odyssey as an assassin even if it wasn't about The Assassins per se. I still prefer that to there being assassins tagged on but my character only being one if I use a LOT of imagination. In Valhalla, you'd have to go out of your way to play an assassin, and being a Viking, it's just not fitting, plus it just feels like an awkward waste of time since you can melee everything easily.

@yesin069 Oh? I read Valhalla was the best-selling title to date. Sure, people who play specifically assassin games where you have to be an assassin like that kind of game, but I'm under the impression the general public prefers knights in shining armour, and after opening the franchise to that play style, there's no turning back really. And with this new free to play strategy they are apparently heading towards, I suspect we'll end up with either grindy, bare-bones games with a gazillion microtransactions or mmo's, neither of which sound remotely interesting.