@superj021 I sincerely find the all story fairly badly written and I would like to explain why, using a few notes I made on the former forum.

Let's begin by the premice:

You incarnate Nomad, who apparently is the CO of an entire Ghost platoon sent to investigate the sinkage of a United States Navy ship (USN) and the lose of it's entire crew at large of an island which is New Zeland territory leased to the United States at, more or less, the limit of Antartica.

Upon your arrival, the 4 helos ferrying your unit are taken down, killing half of the unit under your command. You are miraculously contacted by "Homestaders" (until now, an unknown, local population), you regroup at their main hideout and greeted by men under your command, that won't ask you for any orders or directive of some sort. Furthermore, you learn (either by the homestaders or your own soldiers) that a Private Security Company (PSC) is present on site. Nobody thought to call the siege of said company to understand what's happening even before sending in the canaries?

This is the initial plot. At this point the US department of defense lost a ship, his crew, 4 helos and their crew and something like 15 or 20 spec ops soldiers...at this point, stricly from a financial point of view, the loss is several millions of USD, I would love to be at the congressial hearing.

Secondly, the simple transport part of the operation would have been monitored by satellite and someone would have acknolwledged that something went terribly wrong. The premice "the island went dark" is some scenaristic shortcut wrote by people who doesn't seem to be really aware of intelligence gathering means, nor their treatment, neither how military operations are organised nor conducted.

This is just the premice and as you can understand I find it 1. Particularly badly thought 2. It shows a certain lack of knowledge, if not a total desdain, for my primary field of studies (which I find outraging).

Bear in mind that this is ONLY the begining, from the very get go of the game. The following episodes aren't in any way an improvement from a narrative perspective.

But let’s keep digging. With episode 1, you and you alone (that's just unrealistic) take down the leader of a Sentinel sub-faction: the Wolves (Wolves have been discussed abundantly and I won't last anymore on them) that seemed to have a plan to decapite several head of States using a submarine... because, yeah, it's pretty easy to put you hands on those. Anyhow, you lone-wolfed, decimated and decapited an organisation that can easily be assimilated to a terrorist organisation.

Episode 2ish (Sam Fisher/Amber sky), you finally get "teamates" (for several reasons, I won't discuss them neither). Sam Fischer gets to an island on which the first military couldn't lend a foot to tell you that there is somekind of conspiracy going on. The so called "Deep State" that puppets everything and everyone... meanwhile the NSA, the FBI and all departments of the US governement just sit on their rear and does nothing. Finally, you get to help Sam Fischer unveil said conspiracy, but still the US governement will not take any kind of action to take control of a New Zeland territory (at this point, New Zeland and Australia, in my opinion, would have at least tried to understand what was going on in their own back yards). Amber Sky doesn't differ much, only this time it's not 1 single operator but at least 3 from various counter terrorist units, from 3 different countries (we can argue for pages on the nature of their units) to help you unveil yet another conspiracy revolving around somekind of nerve gas (that could be easily assimilated to a WMD). This episode/event punches holes in the all narrative. To sum up: you and the unit under you command are stranded, but there are people who can come and go as they please. You're supposed to be unable to communicate with the rest of the world, but you receive transmissions from the R6 CO?

Episode 3ish (various bodarks). A "renegade" unit of former Russian Spetsnaz (Spetsnaz is an umbrella russian term designating special forces). These guys are mean russians how wants to trigger a war between Russia and the United States (why is still a mystery to me and if anyone has a clue, please come forward). Once again you have to neutralize a submarine (that apparently Russia has forgot about). In the last update, even if you have decapitated the Bordarks, someone else takes the lead, but this time they came in with their own means (because apparently everyone can come and go from the island without much trouble but you). The last update brought the new Bodarks who seem to have heavy military equipment and to bring those you would need big transport boats, but they got through the international blockade without any much trouble.

As you can see, the more we go further in the GRBP time frame, the less it makes sense and punches plot holes in the story Unisoft tried to tell that in my opinion was written by people who doesn't seem to care about "realism" (in a broad acceptation of the term).

This looks like a rant, and sure it is, but I sincerely hope you will better understand my point of view and by extension the people who may share it.

Best regards

While on the subject of AI. I ran into this video, made by one of the posters around here:

This is a copy paste from a post I made in a different thread, but the idea stays the same: can we have a real exchange with the dev team around here or anywhere else at the discretion of Ubisoft?

The question is adressed to the moderator team ( @Ubi-Heruhoss among others). It would be sincerely appreciated if someone from the moderator team could tell us, in a truthfully fashion (please not a standard answer). But something sincere, within the limits of your attributions.

We have the names of the concept and environnement artists (most of them were or are freelances), the lead designer (Éric Couzian, who still is at Ubisoft Paris), one of the writers (Émile Daubon, who seems to be still at Ubisoft Paris).

But we don't know who is in charge of the Delta Company now, director of the IP and other key positions.

In my opinion, and this is just an idea, instead of going at each others throat for a yes or no, it may be more constructive to adress our posts directly to the persons in charge of some of the elements we would like to see in a future iteration.

A step forward and that would rebuild somekind of trust: a simple introduction from the brand manager. Something stupid like:

"Hello,

I'm XXX, I'm the brand manager for the IP, blablabla, where I come from, what I did before Ghost Recon, how long have I worked within the industry, I like dogs (who doesn't?) and what not.

We do consider your opinions and feedbacks and we would like to know more, so here an adress where you can send your ideas. We do reserve ourselves the right to reply or not, but at least we will notify you if we opened your mail or not."

Something among those lines, I don't know. This idea isn't new, we have been asking for a sincere exchange with the studio for a very, very long time now. I don't know if this idea has been heard, passed to the upper echelons or simply ignored. A real answer would be appreciated. Furthermore, it could contribute to change our perception of the company/studio.

@kean_1 it's the "strong fantasy" that sent that shiver. Until the 20th anniversay it was Nourredine Abbaoud who was in charge. Between then and now he changed studio.

@church367a This is why I call it team and not squad.

I found this neat illustration https://www.battleorder.org/usa-graphics: (https://battleorder.org/usa-graphics):

@danhibikifanxm I totally agree, many were trained to do that instead of the fireman carry. Furthermore, that type of carry could result in futhering the injuries of the casuality

@virtual-chris: I think you're onto something, since the former forum, was quite easier to use, specially from a phone (this can't be stressed enough) people could post and share their thoughts and impressions faster and in an easier manner (specially people on console). Now, we have this fancy forum that makes our communication way more tedious than what it used to be. In my case, today I've made my very first post on my impression on the new forum. To do so, I needed to boot my pc, scroll for the topic that got buried 5 or 6 pages back and firgure out how to reply without adressing to someone in particular. I play on console, so having to come here from a pc is kind counternatural in someway.

"To promote even less engagement" In my opinion, it's not really promoted, it's rather that it will prevent some of us to post as regularly as we did on the older forum. I'm not saying that change is bad, at time is necessary and welcomed, but when there is an improvement from the previous situation. Here we had the game to concentrate and discuss on, now we have also the forum in itself?

This is my first post on the new forum and personnally, I'm not a great fan of it.

First and foremost reason: It's, as BoneFrog wrote earlier, horrible to use on a phone. I've taken the habit to write from my cell while having my morning coffee and cigarette. You can't scroll on what you're writting, you can't zoom, you can't edit (when english is not your first language, you would kind like to have that function), it took me a while to understand how to write from it and I still can't totally understand how to. On a classic computer, I won't say it's any better. Yes it does look fancy but that's where it ends. Somehow it's a bit like the game itself: it looks nice but that's it. I'm not a web designer or engineer or whatever, but there must be solutions to what difficulties some of us encounter around here.

What I would like to see changed first is a more phone friendly forum website. The ability to see what you're writting, edit it if need be, zoom in and out, in other words what we use to have on the older forum, even if it's design was kind of outdated it worked better (I probably sound like a boomer right now). I believe there is a large room for improvement (like the game we are "debating"), but having to tirelessly ask for improvement is getting frustrating (like many other subjects, braids, battle belts, smarter teamates, blahblahblah). Now we have this second front: having to make recommendation on how to improve the forum?

I really don't know what to say, write anymore. This has become so discouraging.

@fcac-no-moe I thought that may be it at least the OP deserved a real explaination since I don't remember reading any topic made by SuperJ021 on the older forum. So he can understand why a great number of us have certain "ressentment" (to say the least) toward the narrative made by Ubisoft

@superj021 Yes I did, I didn't find it compelling in anyway (and to be sincere, pretty terribly bad). Secondly, I've just tried to explain my own point of view, it was in no way intended as an attack and I'm sincerely sorry if you felt it that way. But since I don't know you, it seemed important to explain why I felt that way about the narrative

@AI-BLUEFOX I totally agree especialy with the "...firing blind..." bit. At this point, on the forum, we look like dogs chasing our tails. We write and write over and over always the same stuff, develop the same ideas, discuss the same problems and GRBP shortcomings. We need some directions, something worth discussing otherwise it's just waisted energy (brain cells and sanity). I've a tendency to believe that Einstein's definition of insanity is true.

But the with the termination of the Delta company, one can wonder if Ubisoft will care in the future about what their community wants. Moreover, I blame the studio for the general "ambiance" on the forum these last few years.

@Kean_1 I understand your feeling, moreover none of the articles give your a reason why they terminated the developpment of Frontline. I'm not going to lie, my main fear is since they seem uncapable to deliver a proper GR game, is that they may shelf the entire franchise. And what about the 2 other unannouced games? For some time we specualted that Project Over would be the new GR, is that project terminated as well?

Anyway, even though I never liked the idea of Frontline, I feel bad for the Bucharest studio. But since they seem to be capable to make better ghillies and hood that you can combine with some hats, I sincerely hope that they would be working on project over, if it is not already terminated.

@AI-BLUEFOX I may haven't made point clear enough: I was asking for the community to come up with their own mood board, not the ones made by the dev team.

Artists, whatever medium the use, have a tendency to draw inspiration from elsewhere. Personnally when I try to draw something (specially these days), I browse throught Pinterest and make a patchwork of different things I like.

With this in mind, I thought it may be interesting for everyone in the community to present their own mood board and we could all exchange on them.

Other random question of the day: if you were on the "dev team", more precisely one of the artists to get general concepts or arts, should it be in equipment, biomes, vehicles, etc... how would look like your mood board? Essentially a white board on wich you pin ideas and concepts. I'm sincerely curious to see what you may come up with. Please don't hesitate to drop an original screenshot.

@FcAc-No-Moe Meh, you're probably right, but I don't think mentioning it could hurt or make things worst anyway.

@FcAc-No-Moe life is definitely too short lol, nevertheless I recently subscribed to Disney+. Good thing is that I can rewatch some movies from my childhood in italian (like Robin Hood). I find the songs way better in italian than in french or english, it's also the language I saw them originally and it brings me back to an time where things were simpler. But I digress.

Otherwise, I totally agree Act of valor was indeed a great movie, specially that scene with the boats for the hot extraction. Tons of lead throw against the enemy QRF, that was some overwhelming fire power.

Another movie that I enjoyed watching was Escape from Tarkov the Raid. It's fairly different, but I find it pretty accurate in small unit tactics. Also the sound, is amazing and so far from what Hollywood does, and to some extend what the video game industry does too. You can watch it for free on YouTube and subtitled in english (because I don't understand russian).

Somehow, I found it inspiring for a GR game regarding the small unit tactics and management of operators and their speciality. Also, if you take a look a their gear, it's illustrative of what I expected GRBP to introduce and how I picture GR operators to look like. That movie has also a grim picture, you can almost feel the cold and humidity.

Bottom line is that it's a great movie and inspiration can be drawn from it. If anyone from Ubisoft's dev team is reading this: go search and watch that movie!

@FcAc-No-Moe I have been considering getting a VPN to circle the problem of "zone dependency" and french diffusion monopoly...but meh, I spend too much time in front of a TV anyway

@Megalodon-26 unfortunately in this forsaken country I can't get unless I pay 2 or 3 different membership to 2 or more streaming channels that have the exclusivity for distribution in here. I managed to see 1 or 2 episodes, eventhough it is interesting, I found the involvment of the team into the intelligence interpretation and synthesis too pronouced in my opinion. But it's still a good show.

@FcAc-No-Moe you're more than welcome. Plus there isn't many places where I can go ask random questions on GR and "military" stuff. Otherwise yes The terminal list is a serie, not bad, a bit de derouting at the begining, but it's fairly well written... well, way better than Without remorse, that's for sure.

Hello,

I was just wondering what movies or tv shows involving special operators or military have you been watching lately that somehow could be related to Ghost Recon?

Recently I watched Tyler Rake and The terminal list. I re-watched Lone survivor recently too.

The first is interesting (even though some stuff is a bit of an overrech). One thing related to "tactics" is the usage of a combo ACOG/reddot sight and a separated grenade launcher among other things.

In The terminal list, in the first episode, there is that briefing scene that I found interesting, well because I sincerely believe that planification is everything (moreorless) and could be interesting to developp this aspect in future iterations in the franchise (if there was one to come out at some point within this decade).

So, what movies/TV shows have you watched recently that were interesting and could influence (in a good way) the narration and gameplay of a future iteration (please, no Lord Of The Rings or Star Wars)?

@sandilands85

I totally missed the reference...JCVD, the only blue beret who is allowed to fight back, lol. But, did you know that in Mercenaries 2, the Allied Nations were a faction too?