Best posts made by sacrede5150
Seeing a lot of HEAT about the early access to streamers and youtubers. I get the point everyone is making on both sides of the fences. But, I think one side is being too blinded and its the very reason why things will never change.
I pre-ordered this game, DAY 1, ultimate edition. I have about roughly 10-12 other friends who I know have also pre-ordered the game. Why can't we play early like the streamers do? Or better yet, why do we have to pay to play on day 1, when streamers get paid via ad revenue to play in early access, a game that essentially they didn't even pay for. Assassin's Creed IS NOT a new title, if you going to buy it, you decided that already, whether you have pre-ordered it or not, you have already made the decision to buy it. I hopped on 2 twitch streams and 1 sentence plagues my mind vividly, I have never played through an entire Assassin's Creed but I got early access to stream so here it is.....So these aren't even real fans of the franchise. These are market streamers, they play whats popular for a few weeks then move on to another game. Watching some of them play this is almost cringeworthy at best.
In my opinion, and its just that, my opinion, I would NOT purchase a game a streamer plays just cause they said it was good. I know how marketing works, for all we know they can be bored senseless but are under obligation via $$$ to look like they enjoying a game. I will believe my friend who bought it and recommended it. So why not let the gamers play early access as well? I guarentee you, we will reach more audience than a few twitch streamers who barely get over 1k views per stream or barely get 50-70k views on a YT video. I'm pretty sure there is over 70k pre-orders across the world, if everyone got early access and told a friend how good it was, was that not more effective (and cheaper since we ACTUALLY PAID for the game)
Several other companies and game developers will do early access to streamers BUT they also give early access to those who pre-ordered as well. Keeping it a level playing field for all
Perfect example. At this very moment, there is 100 people on twitch streaming Assassins Creed Valhalla.
OUT OF ALL THESE PEOPLE, ONLY 12 PEOPLE, are reaching more than 1k views (not counting those sneaky bot streamers) while there is about 45 at this moment streaming to 10 or fewer players.............HOW did they get early access.
@longjohn119 Also, to touch on your last part, I work for a living. I am quite happy with my salary. When I go make a purchase of any kind, whether its car parts for my evo, video games, or new parts for my drones or firearms, I EARNED THAT [censored] cause its paid for from my pocket LOL. Therefore, if I paid for Ubisoft to deliver me a game, I expect it delivered fairly and equally like everyone else does.
Lets take streamers out of the occasion since everyone is so butthurt and fanboyish over the topic, Australia and UK has estimated over 250 (and counting) players have access to the game due to delivery mishaps. Odd that the same time "early access" keys were sent out to "Streamers/People who EARNED IT" it was also accidentally delivered to HUNDREDS of others.......
Anyone else smell the sheeps wool burning?
@longjohn119 Let this sink in, 12M subs, 790k views......
Don't just go around slinging numbers if you don't actually know how any of them are represented. He has COLLECTED 12M subs, yes, this part is true. But of all those subs, less than 500k people every watch his videos. You clearly DO NOT understand how YouTube works. You never got curious why people (RadBrad for example) post a Part 1 (his Part 1 for Valhalla if you look actually has 2M views) but the part 2 is never anywhere remotely in that area? You're honestly part of the problem as you're the % of people that make up the easiest herdable sheep EVER. YouTube has algorithms that direct you to videos.
If you watched 1 RadBrad video for more than 50% of its length he is no part of your autoplay library. Meaning at any given time, one of his videos can be next in que if you have auto play on. Imagine, our of all the BILLIONS of people who watch YouTube, how easy it is to generate massive views. Go YouTube it yourself. Many MASSIVE tubers explain how they get big numbers on videos without nearly 50% of their subs even watching. Truly, the ignorance you're displaying at the moment is the very thing UbiSoft grasps ahold of to keep doing stuff like this.
RadBrad aside, they (UbiSoft) seems quite comfy with the fact that many people who ordered the game via Amazon, Best Buy, etc... has already received the game and is currently playing it. Or have you not looked in the bug section? I don't see any posts from RadBrad there LOL
@larrykop1967 Yes! THIS! EXACTLY THIS!
I don't know how old you are, but I come from an era where WE (the gamers) were the advertisements. We used to get FREE demo of the game and be able to play the first 40-60 minutes of content and make a decision based on that on whether we wanted to buy it or not. The people defending this type of practice is the VERY reason things are the way they are today. Everyone is to quick to forgive/forget. WE are the profit. Game developers would be NOTHING without gamers buying/playing their games.
But some studios just don't care anymore. Prime example is the recent sonic movie. The directors understood who THEIR profit was and made the correct changes and potentially saved what was about to be a instant crash. There is absolutely zero reasons we can't make a change happen. But everyone needs to stop trying to argue 1 side of the argument and realize we are the gamers that fuel these companies profit margins.
@mlr_sparco Clearly the topic at hand with this post went very far above your head. I am the Lead Marketing agent for a security firm, I know how sales and marketing works. I will, however, NEVER release products to 1 group earlier than another. That's how you overall tank sales actually.
And try to read next time before leaving a thoughtless reply, there are (as of this very second) 57 streamers on youtube/twitch with 5 or less viewers TOTAL during stream (you can check that kind of info if you didn't know). Please explain to me who those people are influencing?
And you ACTUALLY said Ninja or Shroud pushed sales of products due to their streams? You do realize the only game Ninja impacted was Fortnite (Free) and if you watching Shroud or Ninja ANYWAY you are already a vivid player of FPS games and more than likely own them already. As a matter of fact, some devs haven't even went on record stating Streamers more often than not NEGATIVELY impact sales.
Take CoD for example. The sales are pretty damn good for a game that is cookie cutting the same [censored] across generations lol. But watching streamers REVEAL such actually impacts sales negatively as those who are the fence for that type of market are on the fence in wait to see if anything new or innovative was added this time around.
You guys could literally just do your own research and realize how ridiculous you are sounding at the moment.
There are Tubers/Streamers with LESS THAN 1000 subs (I hate to see anyone misinformed due to not looking up info that is CLEARLY present, so the total number is 47 and out of those 47 only 2 managed 1k-3k views on 2 day old videos) with the game as a early access key.
Most streamers/tubers are already 8+ hours DEEP into content. This isn't just about a early access given to them to promote stuff. Nividia/Intel/AMD gives out early chipset access to YouTubers for REVIEW purposes. Allowing said person to provide benchmarks and results and product reviews so more people buy the product. That is 100% ok. They aren't sitting around bragging about how AWESOME their 3090 is in their personal rig when many others can't even find a store that has one in stock, they put it on their test bench, fired out some data for us, and made us want one even more.
This is completely different with how developers handle games as of late. Its the players who provide the feedback, who discover the bugs/glitches and report them making for a cleaner gaming experience.
But I digress. There is 2 sides to this argument. And this was just 1 side. Albeit the MAIN side, its the less argued side and that should change or we will never see the day and age of gaming access be fair and equal as it used to be. For the most part, with a lot of game devs it is, just not with companies like Ubisoft or EA to name a few.
@aloninor I can't find any posts here about it but there is huge growing subreddit of streamers/tubers to avoid as they have finished the game and have the full game uploaded already.
Also you have to take into account a few things. Take Ninja for instance since he is widely watched and popular. Watching someone play a FPS can give you insights to getting better actually. But he did a interview where he ran a poll on both youtube and twitch, where LESS THAN 15% of his viewers ACTUALLY played the games he plays. They were there simply cause they thought he was a great guy and supported his content no matter what game he played.
I am guilty of this (I hate the battle royale line up) but I enjoyed watching Myth and Ninja play. It was good background noise (albeit loud and funny as well) for my office hours. So you can't a 5M view video and assume all 5M people want to play that game. I like watching Cohh Carnage stream and his youtube videos but I only play a few games he has ever played. And usually I don't watch others play games in interested in.