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@quor321 While I understand what you have in mind I dont agree:
an RPG is meant to have replayability. We're not in the 80s anymore, a clear "Game Over" is not acceptable anymore.
As for those who dont care, it's not their problem anyway, as that matter concerns only those who want to play beyond the main story arc.
And it's my case, and judging from the amount of players who enjoyed Odyssey's endgame for 1000 or up to 1500+ hours, I am not the only one.
Valhalla is not ready for that. Yet. We're preparing, suggesting, imagining its future
I am Taiwanese and I am very angry!!!I needs torture scenes where internal organs and beheaded faces !!!
Here we are.
Are we discussing about immersion or about the need to satisfy our inner sadism?
Dont understand me wrong, I think I understand what you say, but the way you all express it, is ... disturbing.
(especially as I've watched a lot of Asiatic films displaying without any censor that kind of ... entertainments...)
In terms of design, graphics, or overall aspect, Valhalla is good, we can almost say that it is better than Odyssey.
Sadly the game feels empty outside the main story quests. Odyssey has a system of endless exploring, completing contracts, fighting on sea, on land... totally absent from Valhalla.
when the main story arc is played, Valhalla becomes a dead game or at best a badly designed fishing and hunting simulator. Outside fishing and hunting there are nothing, strictly nothing to do in the game.
@ken_koerperich Sorry dude, I might shock you but I dont care, and most of us here dont care, about AC. We're here for a RPG. And we will judge Odyssey and Valhalla as a RPG.
It's called AC Odyssey or AC Valhalla, we see only "Odyssey" and "Valhalla". RPG games. Since Origins, AC games are not AC anymore (the way you understand it, and I respect your opinion/tastes in term of games), and if they still were, I wouldnt be here replying to your post
But you're right! It's all about that: it seems Ubisoft doesnt know what they want to do: do they want us to play an AC game, AKA ligh-RPG game, or do they want their games to be real RPG games? Origins and the Odyssey gave us the feeling that they wanted their games to be RPG. But one step forward, two steps backward, Valhalla tends to go in the "ligh RPG" category. It's not our fault, we're just facing an editor who doesnt seem to know what he wants really.
At the end of the day, you're here because you thought it's an AC game, and you're disappointed, and I'm here because I thought it's a RPG, and I am disappointed too
@b00msie it could be the bugs, yeah, but it's also the lack of replayable content.
In Odyssey some players were complaining about the forts, but the forts do not disappear once cleaned: you can replay them, and you're even invited to do so with the contract system. Is it interesting? Not sure if it is for everybody, but at least it's there (and, for my part, I take a lot of pleasure to have contracts and go in forts around the map for accomplishing them). A majority of players enjoyed those replayable forts and castles. It's basic, it's about "killing" but it's a game which a heavy emphasis on combats, that's what most us were looking for when starting playing.
In Valhalla you have mysteries as an equivalent, which most of the time are not about "killing" but more about "unlocking" stuff (odd in a 'viking game' but it's an other debate). But once the mystery is done, it's not there anymore. It results in the fact that the map of Valhalla is more and more empty and more and more uninteresting when you advance in the game. At the end Valhalla's map is just an empty desert, without quests, without points of interest, in which you can only fish and hunt (for obtaining leather that you cant even sell ....)
The "official ratings" judge only the main story and the overall design/graphics of the game. And for that it's very good, Valhalla is beautiful and the main story arc is correct.
Players (as pointed above, google ratings) on the other hand judge the game as a whole: will I still be entertained in two weeks from now, in two months from now, next year ? ... obviously Valhalla is lacking real content to keep people play the game for more than two months.
And the game has nothing to keep us playing in the long run. Nothing.
It's a one time shot.
You play the main story arc, you enjoy it, and you quit.
The game is EMPTY when finished.
Odyssey had hundreds if not thousands of hours of content after the main story arc: skill leveling (1700+ skills... taking 2x more time to earn /skill than the 400 skills we have now...), contracts on boards in each region, ...
In Valhalla you meet a good old "game over" à la 80s at the end of the main story arc. How is it even possible???!
@seanc-87 Historical proofs are texts I mentioned above. Different sources: Frank, Arab and Byzantine.
The most well know written sources are:
- The Byzantine historian John Skylitzes records that women fought in battle when Sviatoslav I of Kiev attacked the Byzantines in Bulgaria in 971.
- Saxo Grammaticus reported that shield-maidens fought on the side of the Danes at the Battle of Brávellir in the year 750.
- They are also mentioned several times in the Volsunga saga.
Add to that the huge amount of burial grounds in Northern Europe with warriors buried there with their weapons and shields. A not neglectful amount of those warriors were... women.
Ubisoft made us a feel good reality game with vikings.
Ubisoft made us a political correct viking game with African vikings.
Ubisoft wanted our money,
Ubisoft had our money,
Ubisoft doesnt care anymore, but hey, soon you'll be hyped for the next awesome Ubisoft title! Stay tuned!
@martygod12 Harsh words but I have to say that I agree with all you wrote.
The more I think about it the more I'm almost sure that they were aiming for a different audience with Valhalla: in Origins and Odyssey you still had a huge amount of players interested by real history, the discussions in the forums were about real weapons, real armors, tactics, forts, siege machines, egytian or greek culture, cults ... as you pointed above, the armors and weapons were realistic (at the exception of a few) and historical,
Now all is about wannabe marvel vikings, world of warcraft shoulder pads and final fantasy helmets.
Despite having bloody finishing moves and some mature elements (in term of gore), Valhalla is a childish game aiming to please uneducated western youngsters who think vikings are cool because they watched the serie Vikings.
@alphagoose46219 On one side you have some disappointed forum complainers (like me), wanting realistic armors/weapons, and on the other side a bunch of Marvel brewed teenagers ready to PAY for a shiny golden armor with wings and lasers...
Who do you think Ubi$oft decided to please?
@pesto We do agree.
But adding real RPG elements isnt that complicated, and they have done it in the past (Odyssey took the correct direction, Origins was also promising). We're not asking them here to invest time and energy for something complicated, but to stay true to themselves with the RPG elements. Why add RPG elements with stats on items, levels, skills, passive skills, and such if it isnt to make them behave like true RPG elements?!?
Making the RPG system work in Valhalla would need a small patch as it is mainly about game's mechanics, no graphics at all.
They constantly navigate between the RPG genre and the action combat genre à la AC without setting a clear course. At the end of the day AC fans are disappointed, and RPG fans are disappointed too.
Valhalla is a beautiful game, but its mechanics are bested by half a dozen of android/smartphone RPG games (and by almost all RPG games of 80s-90s ... *sigh* an astonishingly beautiful shell, with a rotten heart.
@chevy_man2010 the problem is that we're not talking about "bugs" here, or about things that can be changed easily. It's the core of the game which is broken.
The whole game has to be reworked, and I doubt it is possible.
the funny (or less funny) thing is that they try to sell us "content" for the next year to come, when in fact Valhalla has at most 3 or 4 weeks of content.
they really think that players will be there after Xmas???? Whats the point of playing this game after? Odyssey had it right. They tried to reinvent the wheel, and they failed at it.
Once more when the main story arc is done, I think Tetris in the 90s had more content than Valhalla now.
A pity as Valhalla's graphics are astonishing, and the story is good. But the rest is .... not there. Valhalla is a beautiful empty shell.
@tidesing Ok, so you mean that the version you're playing follows Japanese ethic and you want a more "western version", right?
But are you sure that those decisions have nothing to do with the central Chinese government? (a real question, I dont know the restrictions made by China for that kind of things, nudity/torture)