Any word on the next title update or patch?!

I see Ubisoft has defaulted to the usual glacial pace of comms and updates that we have with Breakpoint. No recent updates or info for Valhalla or Legion, both completely broken performance wise on PC.

PS4 and XBOX versions are on 1.0.5 and PC is still on 1.0.2 with no comms on when the PC will be getting an update.

Also it's impossible to find anything on these new forums and it's so cluttered when browsing on a mobile device, the old forums were fine!

Tried it again after 1.0.4 and it's still running like hot garbage and I'm still convinced that it's to do with fire/smoke/particle effects tanking frame rate. Likely also why antialiasing is tanking performance as well. Guys this is the same bug that Origins suffered from, exactly the same thing happened there as is happening here, fire would tank frame rates and chew up GPUs for no apparent reason. This was patched out in Origins and it's now back again.

The Quebec team had Odyssey running perfectly and it looks and runs way better than this. These bugs are on the engine build that Montreal are using and have existed since they put out Origins.

Also never in my life have I seen a game requiring a specific windows build. The latest windows build and the one you are requiring people to have is in a phased rollout so not everyone will get it automatically. You can force it by downloading the installation media and running it from that.

There is something fundamentally flawed here when PCs with considerably more GPU and CPU power than consoles are sitting around half the equivalent performance. Turning down settings also makes hardly any difference. All this suggests an issue within the renderer itself. It's not optimisation, this is a bug, there is something not working right in the code.

The visuals look worse than Odyssey yet frame rates are all over the place and I'm struggling to hit 60fps at 1440p on a 2080ti despite hardly any visual complexity onscreen. It's just inexplicable.

If this continues beyond the next update then I'm going to seek a refund and will come back to this in six months when it's on sale and hopefully been fixed.

Just adding AC Origins as well for reference. Max settings, 3440 x 1440. Again, runs perfectly at 75fps for 90% utilisation in one of the most complex scenes.

Yeah, and for reference In Athens in Odyssey which is arguably the most complex the game get visually the frame rate hovers around 70fps. In Valhalla in the first town in Norway, can't remember the name of it but it consists of a longhouse, a few structures and mountains I'm getting 40fps for the same settings. The game is spending a lot of GPU time doing not a whole lot. I don't know if it's scene management, occlusion culling, or wonky fire and smoke code but it's just not right.

You're absolutely right that instead of fixing the problem they'll likely just increase the hardware requirements. This needs vulkan because the DX12 implementation here is dreck. RDR2 runs way better for massively superior visual fidelity so this is absolutely coding and optimisation related.

I've exhaustively tried tinkering with all settings but nothing makes any difference, between ultra and low settings the difference is about 10 fps.

Here is an example - all settings on their lowest possible and the GPU is pegged at 90%+ utilisation for virtually no graphical complexity.

Basically one of the simplest scenes in AC Valhalla is running worse on low settings than one of the most complex in AC Odyssey on Ultra settings. This needs sorted!!

Yes, it's 3440 x 1440 and yes it's running at 75 fps but I've pasted in an equivalent image from AC Odyssey for comparison:



For reference, in AC Odyssey, on max settings, 75fps @ 3440 x 1440 for 92% utilisation:

I had horrible flickering and tracked it down eventually to NVIDIA control panel settings causing conflicts, notably sharpening. Haven't had the same issues for a day or so now.

Fiddling with Nvidia control panel got rid of the massive flickering I was getting, don't know if it is exactly the same I was getting huge flashes of black and white and a wierd border around the screen. Shadows were glitching and everything would just go really bright then dark. Really wierd.

Likewise, hope everyone at the Montreal office is ok!

Hi,

I'm getting massive flickering issues with shadows and around the edges of the screen as well as occasional massive frametime stutters. Latest drivers, everything up to date. Unplayable right now.

Anyone else getting this?

2080 ti, 9900k and 32g ram.

Just adding AC Origins as well for reference. Max settings, 3440 x 1440. Again, runs perfectly at 75fps for 90% utilisation in one of the most complex scenes.

I've exhaustively tried tinkering with all settings but nothing makes any difference, between ultra and low settings the difference is about 10 fps.

Here is an example - all settings on their lowest possible and the GPU is pegged at 90%+ utilisation for virtually no graphical complexity.

Basically one of the simplest scenes in AC Valhalla is running worse on low settings than one of the most complex in AC Odyssey on Ultra settings. This needs sorted!!

Yes, it's 3440 x 1440 and yes it's running at 75 fps but I've pasted in an equivalent image from AC Odyssey for comparison:



For reference, in AC Odyssey, on max settings, 75fps @ 3440 x 1440 for 92% utilisation:

Yeah, and for reference In Athens in Odyssey which is arguably the most complex the game get visually the frame rate hovers around 70fps. In Valhalla in the first town in Norway, can't remember the name of it but it consists of a longhouse, a few structures and mountains I'm getting 40fps for the same settings. The game is spending a lot of GPU time doing not a whole lot. I don't know if it's scene management, occlusion culling, or wonky fire and smoke code but it's just not right.

You're absolutely right that instead of fixing the problem they'll likely just increase the hardware requirements. This needs vulkan because the DX12 implementation here is dreck. RDR2 runs way better for massively superior visual fidelity so this is absolutely coding and optimisation related.

Tried it again after 1.0.4 and it's still running like hot garbage and I'm still convinced that it's to do with fire/smoke/particle effects tanking frame rate. Likely also why antialiasing is tanking performance as well. Guys this is the same bug that Origins suffered from, exactly the same thing happened there as is happening here, fire would tank frame rates and chew up GPUs for no apparent reason. This was patched out in Origins and it's now back again.

The Quebec team had Odyssey running perfectly and it looks and runs way better than this. These bugs are on the engine build that Montreal are using and have existed since they put out Origins.

Also never in my life have I seen a game requiring a specific windows build. The latest windows build and the one you are requiring people to have is in a phased rollout so not everyone will get it automatically. You can force it by downloading the installation media and running it from that.

There is something fundamentally flawed here when PCs with considerably more GPU and CPU power than consoles are sitting around half the equivalent performance. Turning down settings also makes hardly any difference. All this suggests an issue within the renderer itself. It's not optimisation, this is a bug, there is something not working right in the code.

The visuals look worse than Odyssey yet frame rates are all over the place and I'm struggling to hit 60fps at 1440p on a 2080ti despite hardly any visual complexity onscreen. It's just inexplicable.

If this continues beyond the next update then I'm going to seek a refund and will come back to this in six months when it's on sale and hopefully been fixed.

PS4 and XBOX versions are on 1.0.5 and PC is still on 1.0.2 with no comms on when the PC will be getting an update.

Also it's impossible to find anything on these new forums and it's so cluttered when browsing on a mobile device, the old forums were fine!

Any word on the next title update or patch?!

I see Ubisoft has defaulted to the usual glacial pace of comms and updates that we have with Breakpoint. No recent updates or info for Valhalla or Legion, both completely broken performance wise on PC.

Likewise, hope everyone at the Montreal office is ok!

Yeah I can't play with performance like this.

Anyone heard anything about when the next PC patch is expected?

Fiddling with Nvidia control panel got rid of the massive flickering I was getting, don't know if it is exactly the same I was getting huge flashes of black and white and a wierd border around the screen. Shadows were glitching and everything would just go really bright then dark. Really wierd.

So after much frustration I can confirm that fire and smoke effects are destroying framerates. Pulling out a torch alone drops fps by around 5, so when in settlements with lots of torches, smoke, fire or other particle effects then the framerate absolutely tanks. I have a sneaking suspicion cloth physics for flags and banners might be an issue as well. Basically anything with physics. Performance is worse at night than during the day for this very reason. This is the same problem that existed in Origins, Odyssey never had this issue. In Origins torches would tank framerate and it was fixed in a patch I think. This framerate drop is exponentially higher when antialiasing is turned up, again exactly the same behaviour from Origins. I have no idea what the game is doing with particle effects but it is simply eating GPUs and processing power on PC. In areas with no particle effects, everything runs fine. We're talking about going from 80-85 fps in areas with lots of particle effects down to about 45 - half frame rate almost. The GPU is spending huge amounts of time doing nothing but chewing cycles on this stuff.

For those struggling with performance, turning down antialiasing is the biggest benefit until this is fixed as it currently just compounds the problem.

Also for those having issues with flickering and just wierd graphical corruption and stuttering try a clean driver install and/or resetting nvidia control panel to default settings. I was getting massive graphical issues and conflicts which turned out to be a conflict with nvidia control panel settings. Personally, forcing sharpening through nVidia control panel definitely caused graphical corruption. Might not solve all problems but definitely helped on my setup.